Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysa could also be well up there.
Events of late in mind, Brunei probably wins of of those countries, but the others have issues as well.
Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysa could also be well up there.
I wouldn't put Malaysia anywhere near most of the other countries mentioned on this thread.Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysa could also be well up there.
Quite often these people are prised lots of cash and often treated worse than slaves.
I wouldn't put Malaysia anywhere near most of the other countries mentioned on this thread.
I believe that actual slavery only ended in 1962 in Saudi Arabia. The US abolished slavery a hundred years before that and is still dealing with its legacy. I guess we shouldn't be surprised when we see slavery in everything but name still exists there. It appears (correct me if I'm wrong), but in the US slavery was replaced by Jim Crow. In Saudi Arabia it was replaced by the al-kafala system. Its how foreign workers are recruited and maintained under a sponsorship system. The sponsor (usually the employer), holds passports and money for the employee and that gives them a lot of power and the ability to abuse those workers.
I gather that's commonly true but a lot of workers fuck off home without paying their bills. Sounds like there are duff employers and duff workers, but neither excuses the other.
Saying that, i don't think much of the way the Saudis do pretty much everything, and the people that flog them arms and ignore the fuckery they get up to are almost as bad.
Yeah I know, it's still way more liberal than most other countries in the region though, and other muslim countries.It still has the death penalty, it still discriminates against disabled people, rape is a grey area as are LGBT issues, unlimited detention without trail....
It is a Muslim country which still practices Sharia Law...
Human rights in Malaysia - Wikipedia
You might like to reread that and revise accordinglyTwisting things slightly, I would not go to a country where my wifes rights would be respected.
I have discouraged my daughter from going to such a country as well.
That's pretty much every muslim majority state in the world off your list.Twisting things slightly, I would not go to a country where my wifes rights are not respected.
I have discouraged my daughter from going to such a country as well.
Nope. These are the world's Islamic countries. With the exceptions of perhaps, Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco, there are none that I have any compulsion to visit whatsoever, either alone or in female company.Your words spy, not mine.
Would you take a female companion to somewhere where she could be treated like shit? or a male "friend" come to that?
That's pretty much every muslim majority state in the world off your list.
Fucking hell, that's some bigotry. Malaysia isn't anything like Brunei, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or the some of the other oppressive regimes on that list.I wouldn't disagree with you. There are countries I would certainly add to that list and there are countries on it that I would love to visit, but sadly won't.
Would love to visit Pakistan (very nearly did once), Afghanistan and Bangladesh.
Your words spy, not mine.
Would you take a female companion to somewhere where she could be treated like shit? or a male "friend" come to that?
I wouldn't disagree with you. There are countries I would certainly add to that list and there are countries on it that I would love to visit, but sadly won't.
Would love to visit Pakistan (very nearly did once), Afghanistan and Bangladesh.
Fucking hell, that's some bigotry. Malaysia isn't anything like Brunei, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or the some of the other oppressive regimes on that list.
Nope. These are the world's Islamic countries. With the exceptions of perhaps, Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco, there are none that I have any compulsion to visit whatsoever
This is what I was responding toI wouldn't disagree with you. There are countries I would certainly add to that list and there are countries on it that I would love to visit, but sadly won't
I'm going to admit my bias here, as my wife is Malaysian and I've spent a lot of time there.Sorry, that wasn't previously clear.
is it bigotry boycotting a country with such a poor human rights record?
Not sure what you mean by second place citizens, but the area my wife's family is from in Malaysia, women have virtually the same freedoms as any western country I've been to, and I think most would be pretty insulted by comments like that. This is a state that's 70% non Muslim.I gather that Malaysia is liberalising. I am coming from rather extreme ethics in that I am reluctant to visit a country with capital punishment, more so now than when I was younger. I am happy to be corrected, but understand that women (and other groups) are second place citizens and that for me is a no no.
I know there are many decent, respectable and agreeable people who come from these countries and, all things being equal I am happy to know them. I am sorry to generalise, but this doesn't alter the fact that the religion and politics of some of these countries Stink.
Nothing personal.
Women in Malaysia have equal rights in law to men, albeit Muslim women are subject to more conservative social conventions."virtually".
70% non Muslim?
I gather that Malaysia is liberalising. I am coming from rather extreme ethics in that I am reluctant to visit a country with capital punishment, more so now than when I was younger. I am happy to be corrected, but understand that women (and other groups) are second place citizens and that for me is a no no.
I know there are many decent, respectable and agreeable people who come from these countries and, all things being equal I am happy to know them. I am sorry to generalise, but this doesn't alter the fact that the religion and politics of some of these countries Stink.
Nothing personal.
Not meaning to answer for Hash Tag but you can't really effectively boycott the country you live in although you can be critical of it's practices and condemn human rights abuses elsewhere at the same time. Most of those Islamic nations do have shit HR records and people are absolutely at liberty to make choices as to where they draw lines. Many people find judicial amputations, public executions, religious law, and the treatment of women and homosexuals in most muslim states to be reprehensible. That's not to say that some non-muslim states couldn't do better but, on balance, the worst state offenders are right there on that list. Chuck in China and you've got the vast majority of the worst human rights abusers on the planet. By all means highlight the extent to which other (western) nations are indirectly complicit in some it but that doesn't diminish the disgusting shit that these cunts are doing all on their own.The politics of the country you live in stinks. It just does so from behind a perfumed veil of respectability. We prop up those regimes many of which we created at the end of the colonial era; we change those regimes we don't like; we sell the arms they use; we control the oil and resource trade; we launder the money they steal. We don't have a death penalty but our governments have had few qualms about killing opponents real and perceived and sheds few years about those who die because they're in the way.
And that's just foreign policy.
I'd like to visit most of them. As to being vile regimes, most of them are, but that's hardly a uniquely Muslim trait. There are plenty of vile non-Muslim majority regimes around such as: Russia, China, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, India, Israel, Kenya, North Korea, the DRC, Congo (Brazaville), Bhuttan, Brazil, Zimbabwe, and the USA. Would you avoid visiting those too?Nope. These are the world's Islamic countries. With the exceptions of perhaps, Egypt, Jordan, and Morocco, there are none that I have any compulsion to visit whatsoever, either alone or in female company.
- Afghanistan (State religion)
- Algeria
- Bahrain
- Bangladesh
- Brunei
- Egypt (State religion)
- Iran (State religion)
- Iraq
- Jordan
- Kuwait
- Libya
- Malaysia
- Maldives (State religion)
- Mauritania
- Morocco
- Oman
- Pakistan (State religion)
- Qatar
- Saudi Arabia (Religion of the Kingdom)
- Somalia
- Tunisia
- United Arab Emirates (Religion of the Emirates)
- Yemen
It's not but look at that list and you'd be hard pushed to disagree that pretty much 100% of muslim states have vile regimes. Is there such a common denominator elsewhere?As to being vile regimes, most of them are, but that's hardly a uniquely Muslim trait.
Not meaning to answer for Hash Tag but you can't really effectively boycott the country you live in although you can be critical of it's practices and condemn human rights abuses elsewhere at the same time. Most of those Islamic nations do have shit HR records and people are absolutely at liberty to make choices as to where they draw lines. Many people find judicial amputations, public executions, religious law, and the treatment of women and homosexuals in many muslim states to be reprehensible. That's not to say that some non-muslim states couldn't do better but, on balance, the worst state offenders are right there on that list. Chuck in China and you've got the vast majority of the worst human rights abusers on the planet. By all means highlight the extent to which other (western) nations are indirectly complicit in some it but that doesn't diminish the disgusting shit that these cunts are doing all on their own.