Russell Brand: rape and sexual abuse allegations, grifting and general dodginess - discussion

[wemakeyousoundb]

Ah, I noticed mine can't be muted and wondered why - maybe they standardised it.
Only annoying because I take screenshots of silly stuff for bandwidthz thread or whatever and it also does the noise then, and so people think I'm taking photos of my knees.

that's a pretty innocuous kink though

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I remember Nuts and Zoo appearing on the scene almost at the same time and it seemed like a low.

I remember men's mags appearing. I thought at the time it was just a way of selling consumerist mags to men in the way they'd long been sold to women.

I barely noticed what was in them tbh, beyond noting that while women's mags tend to have lots of pictures of women in them, men's mags by contrast tend to have lots of pictures of women in them.

 

[weltweit]

..
I barely noticed what was in them tbh, beyond noting that while women's mags tend to have lots of pictures of women in them, men's mags by contrast tend to have lots of pictures of women in them.

Yes, I observed that also, it seemed that both women and men like to look at women and neither of them want to look at men seems illogical ..

 

[MickiQ]

I remember pre-internet days that the top shelves of most newsagents were all nudie mags, these days they're mostly things like Model Railways and Fishing magazines.

 

[8ball]

Yes, I observed that also, it seemed that both women and men like to look at women and neither of them want to look at men seems illogical ..

Seems fairly logical to me.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yes, I observed that also, it seemed that both women and men like to look at women and neither of them want to look at men seems illogical ..

I guess men's mags have a dual function?

When I was a kid, 'borrowing' my mum's copy of Cosmopolitan was the closest I could get to porn.

Didn't think I'd be admitting to that when I woke up this morning.

 

[Mumbles274]

Model Railways and Fishing magazines.

Utter filth!!

 

[story]

And being a geezer-bird was / is something to aspire to.

This has just been updated to the "pick me girl".

 

[8ball]

This has just been updated to the "pick me girl".

I'm not sure that's anything like the same thing (from Googling it briefly).

 

[story]

I think possibly more a reaction to the collapse of the "pick up artist" era.
A more extreme and distilled form to pick up the stragglers who couldn't let it go and didn't fit into either the standard MRA or incel circles.

Has the PUA thing collapsed though?
Seems to me that it's evolved rather than collapsed.

Or maybe you mean that the wave form has collapsed into particles: incels, Tate types etc.
More extreme.

 

[story]

I'm not sure that's anything like the same thing (from Googling it briefly).

Geezer birds theoretically wanted to be accepted by blokes.
Pick me girls want to be seen as different to the herd of girly girls, more like blokes in many ways, and thereby more attractive, more likely to be picked.

Same but different.
In other words not gone away.

 

[Pickman's model]

Generally speaking, they can't. So, for example, 'upskirting' is now a specific criminal offence. But you can't be done under the new law unless you did it after the new law came into force. That is generally true despite you having dug up an exception.

You might expect someone who could without hesitation name an act that contradicted your assertion might also know everything you condescended to share in your reply.

 

[story]

Also geezer birds were a UK thing. Pick me girls is largely a US thing. So obvs there are inherent differences there.

 

[8ball]

Has the PUA thing collapsed though?
Seems to me that it's evolved rather than collapsed.

Or maybe you mean that the wave form has collapsed into particles: incels, Tate types etc.
More extreme.

Yeah, I don't think there is anything but the remnants of a PUA "community" now.
Could be wrong.

And the wave collapse thing is an apt analogy, I think.

 

[hitmouse]

Geezer birds theoretically wanted to be accepted by blokes.
Pick me girls want to be seen as different to the herd of girly girls, more like blokes in many ways, and thereby more attractive, more likely to be picked.

Same but different.
In other words not gone away.

Pick me is a very contested term though, there's quite a bit of pushback against it cos it can just be used as a criticism/dismissal of any woman whose interests are insufficiently feminine, which is obv a bit of a problem.

 

[8ball]

Also geezer birds were a UK thing. Pick me girls is largely a US thing. So obvs there are inherent differences there.

Yeah, I was thinking in terms of a pick me girl and a pick me boy being equivalent, but a pick me boy is quite unlike a "lad".

 

[Sue]

Also geezer birds were a UK thing. Pick me girls is largely a US thing. So obvs there are inherent differences there.

Never heard of 'pick me' girls but was it not more 'ladettes' than 'geezer birds'? (I'd never heard the latter term till this thread.)

 

[Serge Forward]

Yeah, I don't think there is anything but the remnants of a PUA "community" now.
Could be wrong.

And the wave collapse thing is an apt analogy, I think.

Sorry, what is PUA?

 

[8ball]

Sorry, what is PUA?

Pick-up artist.
Basically a bunch of arseholes who ruined Fedoras for everybody for at least the next 10 years.

 

[story]

Incidentally....

I talked about Sneako as another awful person when we were talking about Tate.

Arguments about how these types don't have much influence (made at the time) are obviously and demonstrably untrue.

Here's Sneako being taken back by his young fans excitedly chanting "Fuck the women!" at him to show their love and loyalty to him. Sneako gently remonstrates with them, turns to the camera and says "what have I done?" He later rows back from that with "it's not my fault, boys will be boys, no harm done here".

Incel Influencer Sneako's Young Fans Yell "All Gays Should Die" in Viral Video

Sneako confronts the echo of his own views in young fans.

www.advocate.com

ETA the kids also abuse gay and trans people too. It's fucking horrible.

 

[story]

Pick me is a very contested term though, there's quite a bit of pushback against it cos it can just be used as a criticism/dismissal of any woman whose interests are insufficiently feminine, which is obv a bit of a problem.

Agreed.
Which as you say is in and of itself massively problematic.

 

[planetgeli]

Never heard of 'pick me' girls but was it not more 'ladettes'

That was the word. That was what I meant in my previous post about equality being achieved by being like 'us'.

 

[8ball]

Pick me is a very contested term though, there's quite a bit of pushback against it cos it can just be used as a criticism/dismissal of any woman whose interests are insufficiently feminine, which is obv a bit of a problem.

I didn't get that from the definition I Googled, but in my defence I only first heard the term in the last few mins of this thread and am still missing layers of nuance.

 

[story]

Never heard of 'pick me' girls but was it not more 'ladettes' than 'geezer birds'? (I'd never heard the latter term till this thread.)

I think ladettes was the mainstream version. I'd hear geezer birds back then but more as a kind of of dismissive eyerolling insult. Which is why I'm comparing it to the pick me girl thing.

 

[story]

That was the word. That was what I meant in my previous post about equality being achieved by being like 'us'.

Am I wrong in remembering geezer-bird? Maybe I heard that on building sites?

 

[planetgeli]

Am I wrong in remembering geezer-bird? Maybe I heard that on building sites?

Well, no, not wrong in a way because klang was the one who brought the term up so it must have been a thing.

But I still knew the concept meant, and it was definitely 'ladettes' as Sue said that was big in the...whenever it was.

 

[story]

I wonder if Jimmy Carr will be having a bit of a think about his rape jokes in the current climate.*

20 Jokes That Didn’t Stop Netflix From Giving Jimmy Carr A Show

Netflix’s new ‘The Fix’ is an utterly pointless waste of a comedian as funny as Jimmy Carr, who doesn’t give a hoot about political correctness.

thefederalist.com

*What is and what is not acceptable material for comedy is a whole can of worms, but I was just thinking about such a high profile comedian powering on with such gags right now.

Unless and until women are commonly making rape jokes about rape, rape jokes are part of rape culture.

Men making jokes about menstruation. Men making jokes about the experience if childbirth, pregnancy. That would be looked at askance, eh?. I don't follow comedy so I may be wrong but do male comedians take the piss about these women-only experiences?

Men making jokes about rape is okay though. Cos nothing is out of bounds for comedy. Maybe they don't think menstruation /pregnancy/labour is funny or interesting enough for the jokes.

 

[xenon]

Peoples' behaviour is a function of contemporary sensibilities and laws.

Sensibilities and laws change over time

Present sensibilities are becoming retrospectively enforceable.

This is clearly illogical

I'll assume you're just talking about the age difference rather than any of the allegations of abuse. Circa 2006 a 31 old shagging a 16 year old was suspect.

 

[editor]

FWIW I don't think Loaded was pornographic - the women in there were generally fully clothed iirc. The later ones continually upped the ante though - I guess you could see it as the early stages of a process that was pumped up by the internet not long after and ends up with Andrew Tate etc.

There was plenty of semi naked/soft porn content, even on the cover. Amazed the shit rag survived until 2015 although they'd toned down by the end.

A typical edition of Loaded depended on a celebration of Bloke culture, including humorously recaptioned photographs (such as the "Pornalikes" section, in which readers were encouraged to send in photographs from porn mags or Internet screenshots showing porn actors with a disconcerting resemblance to otherwise squeaky-clean celebrities.) There would be long articles on lad culture, fast cars, extreme sports and serious drinking. The new tendency towards male grooming and the "metrosexual" look was touched upon, but apart from lucrative advertising tie-ins, was left for the competition, such as Maxim and Men's Health, to explore in detail.

A staple was the photo-feature in which C, B or occasionally A-list female celebrities were persuaded to pose for photo-features in minimal clothing. Whilst these rarely got beyond "cheesecake", there would very occasionally be a bared nipple, sometimes toplessness. The magazine also championed the "nip-slip" photo in which female celebrities were caught accidentally baring something they thought was adequately covered. Any reader providing such content might receive the coveted Good Work, Fella! accolade.

Loaded (Magazine) - TV Tropes

Loaded was launched in Great Britain in 1994 as a general "mens' interest" monthly. It soon developed a notoriety for its rather basic, unreformed, "laddish" approach to life and rose to a peak circulation of 450,000 a month by the late 1990's.

tvtropes.org

Spoiler: Soft porn covers for the laaads

 

[klang]

I've heard it quite a bit at the tail end of lads mags, early to mid 2000s. I always just assumed it was somehow connected to lads culture, but maybe it was a west london thing?

Edit - geezer bird, that is