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Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

Miss Caphat said:
"You made me leave America. Your entitled attitude become unbearable and your appearance disgusting. You have lost what it means to be a woman and what it takes to make a man happy. ... The more time I spent away from America, the happier I became.
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That bit of the lament is really interesting I think, and maybe helps to tie the self-declared adherents to this stuff with the - massive & growing - number of men who are in the market for what gets called 'mail order brides'. Or sex tourism.

See how 8 of Roosh's books are entitled 'How to bang .. Estonia / Lithuania / Columbia etc.
I personally know a man (in London) who is now on his 3rd very beautiful thai live-in girlfriend, who, like those before her, cooks and irons and never refuses sex. He told me without shame that he gave up on bossy difficult english women like me years ago.

One of the leading websites which enables American men to meet women from Eastern Europe, Anastasia Date it's called, apparently earned $110 million in 2012 & the website's traffic also grew by 220% that same year (can't find more recent numbers)

Just suggesting that there is something going on which is bigger than these conspicuously awful people like Roosh.
 
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I used to post a lot on the James Randi skeptics forum and a female poster started talking about the sexism and harassment she Was at the receiving end of at one of their real world meet ups, the hostility and abuse she received for talking about it was a real eye opener for me because I assumed a community of secular humanists would be quite progressive.

I sometimes see this mans rights groups as this decades 9/11 truthers. Their core members would have a lot in common (disenfranchised angry young white western males, hostile towards a group they feel are oppressing them)
 
Yuwipi Woman said:
I may be reaching here, but I suspect that camouflage was being ironic. :)
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Yes and no. What I mean is that he may have used his sense of frustration and rejection etc in the past, and how bad it all made him feel, to find a new way of feeling powerful and confident and righteous. He can probably identify the same emotional resources (anger, rejection, lonliness etc) in others and use it to make them feel powerful and able and entitled too, and justify his dehumanization of women (in this case). It's your basic Sith training course really isn't it, the use of negative emotions to manipulate and control and gain a sense of power.
 
Rebelda said:
I know it's disgustingly Freudian of me, but I often wonder what these misogynists' relationships with their mothers are like. Or sisters. Not that I'm saying that's the root of their awfulness, but can you imagine being a woman related to one of these bellends?
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I saw his interview with Reggie Yates where he was justifying what he said about "how to stop rape- make it legal on private property". I wondered at the time how he'd feel if it was his mother, or sister, or daughter on the line. Then I wondered if he'd been abused as a child and if this was his way of feeling like a man.
 
frogwoman said:
Yeah whats the connection between atheism and these idiots FabricLiveBaby! ?
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Not too sure frogwoman, but I think it's partly identity politics, a perceived victimhood (women wouldn't let me fuck them cos I'm a geek - GEEKS ARE OPRESSED! I'M OPRESSED), and also it allows bigotry to be dressed up as "science and rationalism for the win" (don't worry about the fact all of it is pretty much based on shitty science and huge fallacies), plus a dose of teenage favourite "cult of personality".

I read a really great (but long) article about why the most vocal rapey, anti-feminist, racist douchebags on line proudly wear the atheism badge:

New Atheism, Worse Than You Think

It's a good one.

littlebabyjesus said:
I don't want to downplay the odiousness of the ideas, but isn't the best response to laugh at them? They are laughable, after all. I mean blokey in his superhero suit. :facepalm:
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The thing is, because they live their lives online, it's difficult to laugh at them. They hang around in gangs of trolls, following each other, moaning about getting blocked or banned (my free speech), flagging down videos and groups they don't like for no reason - MUH Men's rights movement Facebook group got taken down the other week after a mass flagging campaign (free speech yeah?). It's pretty impossible to take them on because:

1) people who think they are idiots have lives.
2) generally people can't be bothered with the abuse that is bound to follow.

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there's definitely a vocal group of supporters.

which will increace whenever he finds another pro misogynist cause to lend his support to. eg gamergate.
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He already did lend his support to gamergate.
 
irf520 said:
Are you familiar with concept that in order to understand an issue you need to look at it from the point of view of the protagonists?
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Are you suggesting that we should be looking at Roosh's point of view, or that of his followers, as if it's somehow as valid or whatever as the women they attempt to prey on?

If* some of these people have genuinely been emotionally abused or neglected in childhood and this has led to them being unable to relate to women in an appropriate way as adults, then I have some sympathy for that, but if they then use that as an excuse to justify abusing women when you're an adult, then my sympathy tends to evaporate pretty quickly.

*and it is just if - simply being turned down by a few women who didn't want to fuck you doesn't actually count
 
andysays said:
Are you suggesting that we should be looking at Roosh's point of view, or that of his followers, as if it's somehow as valid or whatever as the women they attempt to prey on?

If* some of these people have genuinely been emotionally abused or neglected in childhood and this has led to them being unable to relate to women in an appropriate way as adults, then I have some sympathy for that, but if you then use that as an excuse to justify abusing women when you're an adult, then my sympathy tends to evaporate pretty quickly.

*and it is just if - simply being turned down by a few women who didn't want to fuck you doesn't actually count
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I thought irf520 was suggesting that it would be more interesting & more useful to try to understand what the whole MRA / PUA / red pill 'movement' is, why it seems to be a growing phenomenon, why men are attracted to it etc, instead of just condemning it?
 
camouflage said:
I saw his interview with Reggie Yates where he was justifying what he said about "how to stop rape- make it legal on private property". I wondered at the time how he'd feel if it was his mother, or sister, or daughter on the line. Then I wondered if he'd been abused as a child and if this was his way of feeling like a man.
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Isn't there a bit of a whore/madonna dichotomy in the minds of such men? She's a whore, but my sister is a madonna!
 
andysays said:
Are you suggesting that we should be looking at Roosh's point of view, or that of his followers, as if it's somehow as valid or whatever as the women they attempt to prey on?

If* some of these people have genuinely been emotionally abused or neglected in childhood and this has led to them being unable to relate to women in an appropriate way as adults, then I have some sympathy for that, but if they then use that as an excuse to justify abusing women when you're an adult, then my sympathy tends to evaporate pretty quickly.

*and it is just if - simply being turned down by a few women who didn't want to fuck you doesn't actually count
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I'm not justifying anything. I'm just saying that his 'lament' explains why he holds the views he does. From his point of view, when he acted nice he got nowhere and when he acted like an arsehole he got somewhere. He therefore deduced that women like it when he acts like an arsehole. I'm not saying I agree with that.
 
bimble said:
Survival of the macho-est, nice gorillas finish last etc. Also, women aren't good at thinking because wombs. etc. Science stuff.
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Indeed. Don't quite see the link to atheism, but it's certainly not creationism. But yes, the existence of such dubious science is a problem. evo psych does have a lot to answer for.
 
camouflage said:
Yes and no. What I mean is that he may have used his sense of frustration and rejection etc in the past, and how bad it all made him feel, to find a new way of feeling powerful and confident and righteous. He can probably identify the same emotional resources (anger, rejection, lonliness etc) in others and use it to make them feel powerful and able and entitled too, and justify his dehumanization of women (in this case). It's your basic Sith training course really isn't it, the use of negative emotions to manipulate and control and gain a sense of power.
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It also feeds into the narrative nice guys finish last or women only go for bad boys.

So whether he actually engaged in that behaviour or not he's just feeding a perception that's already held among that audience.
 
Going out on a scary limb here but.. if the techniques taught by the PUAs did not work at all, ever, would they have such a big following and sell so many books & tickets to their lectures? It's just a question.
The 'negging' concept which first led me to this whole area for instance, it's psychologically insightful I reckon.
 
irf520 said:
I'm not justifying anything. I'm just saying that his 'lament' explains why he holds the views he does. From his point of view, when he acted nice he got nowhere and when he acted like an arsehole he got somewhere. He therefore deduced that women like it when he acts like an arsehole. I'm not saying I agree with that.
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I accept you're not seeking to justify anything, but I'm suggesting that he certainly is. I don't think we should take his "lament" at face value (which is why I mentioned the unreliable narrator thing), but we should read it critically and point out its essential dishonesty.

Most men (and most women too, I imagine) have to deal with rejection and not being able to get laid whenever and with whoever they want. Most of us don't turn into cunts as a result and blame it all on those who choose not to fuck us.
 
bimble said:
Going out on a scary limb here but.. if the techniques taught by the PUAs did not work at all, ever, would they have such a big following and sell so many books & tickets to their lectures? It's just a question.
The 'negging' concept which first led me to this whole area for instance, it's psychologically insightful I reckon.
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I've needed google a fair bit for this thread. Wow, negging. That google led me into a whole new world of oddness. Such things have totally passed me by - but isn't it a variant on the old 'treat em mean, keep em keen'?

I'm not sure there's anything new in this stuff. In fact it seems to me to be distinctly old.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Yeah, it's difficult to put yourself inside their minds, tbh. There's so little room in there.
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One of them (tl/dr, who sounds disturbingly like a young Daniel Radcliffe :() has this whole anti-procreation stance based on the theory that people don't choose to be born so shouldn't be. I kid you not :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: stay out of their minds, for your own sake.
 
bimble said:
Going out on a scary limb here but.. if the techniques taught by the PUAs did not work at all, ever, would they have such a big following and sell so many books & tickets to their lectures? It's just a question.
The 'negging' concept which first led me to this whole area for instance, it's psychologically insightful I reckon.
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Women don't like men who are arseholes.

But they do like men who are successful. And in many fields, being an arsehole is a prerequisite of success.

That's basically all he's saying. No idea why people would pay money to hear such obvious truisms.
 
andysays said:
Most men (and most women too, I imagine) have to deal with rejection and not being able to get laid whenever and with whoever they want.
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Well.. yes but, that's kind of the nub of it isn't it, it's so easy for us women we can just sit there on the barstool and wait for offers.*
*not entirely serious but mostly
 
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