danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Yes, I wasn't suggesting you thought otherwise: I was just expanding.
Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'
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FabricLiveBaby!
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I dunno. He's been on my radar for years. He's been writing "bang" books for ages and has had quite a large following. But then, the manosphere has been of particular interest to me. Him, Men's Rights Activists (a voice for men), Anti-feminist atheist fundamentalists, MGTOW... so many flavours of misogyny on the Internet, they allseem to be growing too.
bimble
floofy
Had to google that. Was quite happy in my ignorance.
Any idea of the age range of the men drawn to this sort of thing - is it something you grow out of ?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Me too.Had to google that. Was quite happy in my ignorance.
Any idea of the age range of the men drawn to this sort of thing - is it something you grow out of ?
My word!
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Had to google that. Was quite happy in my ignorance.
Any idea of the age range of the men drawn to this sort of thing - is it something you grow out of ?
Well they certainly get drawn in as young teenagers. I think all teenagers go through some sort of entitlement feelings when it comes down to the opposite sex eg. "Why do men like the slults?" "Why don't women like the nice guys?" type rhetoric and while it's something most people used to grow out of in isolation I think that these group re-enforce the narrative and makes it more cult like.
The unfortunate thing is that teens and young adults don't often get drawn in through "Why are women bitches?" searches on Google. Roosh V and his lot are usually the end of the rabbit hole: Athiest channels, science channels, secular channels, (american) libertarian channels, anarchist channels, gaming and all sorts of other channels on Youtube have a very strong anti-feminist in particular threads which end up manifesting as anti-women.
The amount of money that goes through these channels is enormous.
Youtube stuff for you to check out for this diatribe:
Jaclyn Glenn ( Richard Dawkins foundation)
Armoured Skeptic (Richard Dawkins foundation)
Tunderf00t (Science Channel)
Amazing Atheist (Atheist vlog)
Mr Repzion (Gaming)
Sargon of Akkad ("History", "gaming" "philosophy"
Stephan Molyneux (American Libertarianism, Philosophy)
Vegan Gains (Vegan Chanel)
There are hundreds. Just type in "Feminism" into Youtube and see what happens. Then read the comments.
We'd like to think people like Roosh are not the mainstream, but I fear that one day they will be. We had our parents to tell us we were being idiots and these kinf of groups were difficult to find. Now people pander to these losers on Patreon (some people make £1500 PER VIDEO.
Echo chambers are powerful. So is social media. One day I think social media will be the main political tool where campaigns will be fought and won. And sadly, this type of misogynist campaign is growing.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You don't grow out of it in isolation, though. You grow out of it essentially by meeting someone and getting a sex life of your own, no? Strictly in isolation, you're in danger of just getting worse.
I'd want to see some numbers for this stuff, because it strikes me that a well-organised and motivated but very small group can make a lot of noise in social media. Certainly the few searches I've done on this Roosh character and his catchphrases all link back to him - outside of his own extensive bluster, his ideas appear barely to make a dent. Not many people seem to be finding his ideas useful and taking them on.
Some of them got into it after getting the shitty end of the stick in an acrimonious divorce.
FabricLiveBaby!
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What I I meant by growing up in isolation was that we grew up with isolated ideas. While most people complained about it we had to mix with adults and a variety of different viewpoints. So our ideas were isolated and dismissed as teenage angst, not to be taken seriously. And we had no one to back us up because we had shitty immature arguments. A good thing really.
These ideas are no longer isolated. It's very East to find someone with the same immature philosophies as you, very easy to find adults who will pander to that and take your money, and for misogyny to reinforced. And easy to find people to back up your immature ideas with pseudoscience and pseudophilosophy. All without leaving your bedroom..
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yes, fair enough. The opposite is also true, though - the counter-arguments are also there for you without leaving your bedroom.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
You forget confirmation bias though. Once you've formulated your ideas your more likely to seek confirmation and build up your biases that way.
Especially if your an irrational teenager, you feel like you're under attack, or feel like you've been unjustly treated in some way. Why would you even talk to someone who you thought would dismiss you instantly?
FabricLiveBaby!
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MGTOW are kind of hilarious. Like failed pick up artists. They all say they don't need women at all, a bit like the opposite of political lesbians. Ironically, unlike political lesbians, all they seem to be able to talk about is how bad women are and how unfair feminism is.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
MGTOW
Here's something I saw recently on an MGTOW forum. It's quite mild compared to the usual vile name-calling of women that I see on there.
"Watching women talk about work is like observing a square figure out why it's in a hole. Their instincts are a mismatch for the DIY ethic that is found in most workplaces. You DIY- you talk to people, you read documents, you piece things together, you accept some level of uncertainty, you spend a few hours after work when you first join, to just go through everything, create diagrams, dicitionaries -- and then you use this knowledge in first meetings, ask questions to fill out the picture. You buddy up with co-workers and pick their brain over lunch. In other words, it is UNSTRUCTURED. That's life in the workforce today; your job is so dis-aggregated, there is no one person to train you.
Overhearing two female "professionals", she was talking about switching jobs but claimed there would be no point if they didn't formally train her because otherwise she would start at ground 0. A Sr. Buyer could shift to Sr. Merchandising, and after hard do-it-yourself course of learning the domain specific concepts, could apply his overall expertise at a senior level in no time. WITHOUT training. That's what men do. Initiative. We go OUT there, figure out what needs to be learned, have no fear, get the information you need, even if it's spread across 30 pdfs, 2 books, and 14 websites. And build a mental model from it. And fast.
Men can do this, women can't. So women are now trying to mandate company alter their policies to accomdoate the fact that they are naturally too lazy to have the courage and drive to learn on their own. Spoonfeeding alone will work for them. Everything else in UNFAIR.
Female shortcomings paired with demeands for equality have wreaked havoc because those programs have not been realistic about what the same task for men would mean for women. It would ask of them physical abilities they can't deal with, ask them to operate in a busines environemnt that requires self-starter behavior to learn rapidly without someone spoonfeeding them everything like they did in college. Same when they lower standards in the military so women can qualify. Long story short, these pushes for equal outcomes, creates a unstable, chaotic environment that unbalances a sytem that worked perfectly fine and refuses to push the burden back on women ; such as "You will get training - but YOU have to develop the plan, YOU find out who knows what you need to know, develop relationships with them, and YOU create the training plan - each person you deal with is YOUR mentor - so learn from them".
But snowflake's not having it. "Uh, in the past, they always spoonfed me everything that i later applied verbatim in school" Why can't I force IBM to create formal txtbook for training for the one position I'll be joining?
When orgs capitulate to this feminist spurred agenda, they will also be eviscerating any action being taken to convince women that THEY need to develop new skills to collect information in an unstructured environment. It will legitimize their shortcomings and discourage them from making meaninfull progress in those areas; the same areas that will be critical for their business success in areas far outside the initial training.
When women DEMAND training from their employer. The employer should be clear. Training means YOU connect with co-workers and understand the operation. You do the reading and put the pieces together. Your disinclination of do-it-yourself education is not reason for us to break a system that has worked well for so long. Whatever self-starting, enterpreneurial behavior, and big picture thinking, as well as ability to syncretize disaparate sources of information to grok how the whole system works, will prove invaluable THROUGHOUT your career. Giving you a CD that spoonfeeds you won't give you half the detail, much outddated, and worse, reinforce the idea that the core skills and responsibilities outlined can be avoided.
Men say: "This is new. Cool, I"ll figure it out. Where are the wiki docs on this project. OK, now who are the owners. Set up lunch with both owners tomorrow and pick their brain. Align with goals, question them; vet the methodology and then dive into the working sessions."
Women say: "OMG, so complicated, so many moving parts. Can't someone (a man) spend 3 days walking me through each step of the process?"
Given women's refusal to DIY, a woman with equivalent education is no where nearly as productive as a man."
www.goingyourownway.com
Here's something I saw recently on an MGTOW forum. It's quite mild compared to the usual vile name-calling of women that I see on there.
"Watching women talk about work is like observing a square figure out why it's in a hole. Their instincts are a mismatch for the DIY ethic that is found in most workplaces. You DIY- you talk to people, you read documents, you piece things together, you accept some level of uncertainty, you spend a few hours after work when you first join, to just go through everything, create diagrams, dicitionaries -- and then you use this knowledge in first meetings, ask questions to fill out the picture. You buddy up with co-workers and pick their brain over lunch. In other words, it is UNSTRUCTURED. That's life in the workforce today; your job is so dis-aggregated, there is no one person to train you.
Overhearing two female "professionals", she was talking about switching jobs but claimed there would be no point if they didn't formally train her because otherwise she would start at ground 0. A Sr. Buyer could shift to Sr. Merchandising, and after hard do-it-yourself course of learning the domain specific concepts, could apply his overall expertise at a senior level in no time. WITHOUT training. That's what men do. Initiative. We go OUT there, figure out what needs to be learned, have no fear, get the information you need, even if it's spread across 30 pdfs, 2 books, and 14 websites. And build a mental model from it. And fast.
Men can do this, women can't. So women are now trying to mandate company alter their policies to accomdoate the fact that they are naturally too lazy to have the courage and drive to learn on their own. Spoonfeeding alone will work for them. Everything else in UNFAIR.
Female shortcomings paired with demeands for equality have wreaked havoc because those programs have not been realistic about what the same task for men would mean for women. It would ask of them physical abilities they can't deal with, ask them to operate in a busines environemnt that requires self-starter behavior to learn rapidly without someone spoonfeeding them everything like they did in college. Same when they lower standards in the military so women can qualify. Long story short, these pushes for equal outcomes, creates a unstable, chaotic environment that unbalances a sytem that worked perfectly fine and refuses to push the burden back on women ; such as "You will get training - but YOU have to develop the plan, YOU find out who knows what you need to know, develop relationships with them, and YOU create the training plan - each person you deal with is YOUR mentor - so learn from them".
But snowflake's not having it. "Uh, in the past, they always spoonfed me everything that i later applied verbatim in school" Why can't I force IBM to create formal txtbook for training for the one position I'll be joining?
When orgs capitulate to this feminist spurred agenda, they will also be eviscerating any action being taken to convince women that THEY need to develop new skills to collect information in an unstructured environment. It will legitimize their shortcomings and discourage them from making meaninfull progress in those areas; the same areas that will be critical for their business success in areas far outside the initial training.
When women DEMAND training from their employer. The employer should be clear. Training means YOU connect with co-workers and understand the operation. You do the reading and put the pieces together. Your disinclination of do-it-yourself education is not reason for us to break a system that has worked well for so long. Whatever self-starting, enterpreneurial behavior, and big picture thinking, as well as ability to syncretize disaparate sources of information to grok how the whole system works, will prove invaluable THROUGHOUT your career. Giving you a CD that spoonfeeds you won't give you half the detail, much outddated, and worse, reinforce the idea that the core skills and responsibilities outlined can be avoided.
Men say: "This is new. Cool, I"ll figure it out. Where are the wiki docs on this project. OK, now who are the owners. Set up lunch with both owners tomorrow and pick their brain. Align with goals, question them; vet the methodology and then dive into the working sessions."
Women say: "OMG, so complicated, so many moving parts. Can't someone (a man) spend 3 days walking me through each step of the process?"
Given women's refusal to DIY, a woman with equivalent education is no where nearly as productive as a man."
www.goingyourownway.com
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wobbly
i'll hold your coat
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
And that's a Tobyjug FACT.
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wobbly
nods.
cause whie you'd get shit in the local pub about getting the birds and who was a slut, start to suggest that it should be legal to rape women and you'd be thrown out and lucky to leave on your own feet. but this lot can get together via the internet.
i keep an aye on this stuff online, through a couple of the feminist sites i check on every now and again. roosh has come up on a few occasions. for example, when it became clear that elliot rodgers was obsessed with pick up artist stuff. but there's more to roosh than the occasional whine that women are allowed to say no to him.
there's a graphic that gets shared a lot when people ask if their partner's behavior is abuse. linked to what is called 'the duluth model'. it's all about allowing people in abusive situations to see how much of the behavior that isn't hitting them or screaming abuse at them is still controlling. and looking at how things like the danger that someone will die at the hands of their partner is exponentially increaced if there is a history of putting their hands round the victims throat.
roosh uses these graphics as part of his training. he intentionally teaches men how to use abuse to control women. whatever bullshit he spouts about rape that gets focussed on is a distraction and it's soundbits for attention. the real problem with this bastard is that he gets hold of men who think they should be entitled to sex and teaches them how to abuse women to get it.
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wobbly
there's definitely a vocal group of supporters.
which will increace whenever he finds another pro misogynist cause to lend his support to. eg gamergate.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
It's not really funny haha, is it.
The National’s columnist Cat Boyd is targeted by Roosh V’s rape advocate mob
The National’s columnist Cat Boyd is targeted by Roosh V’s rape advocate mob
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah whats the connection between atheism and these idiots FabricLiveBaby! ?
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
Sounds like something a sad sack who read unilad and took it seriously might attend.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
We can but hope
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wobbly
the shit he gobs off with isn't illegal. hence calls for hate speech against women to be made illegal.
That's debatable. I give him one year maximum before he's incarcerated.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
The stuff he says isn't illegal, but I'm sure if (when) he were accused of rape, all of his public statements would become evidence.
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wobbly
unfortunately, if that was true, he would have been incarcerated some time ago.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Identity politics for young white men.
Exactly. One way or another, he's going down and soon.
His persona is completely unacceptable in the current climate of opinion. There is no way he will be allowed to continue.
Rebelda
Nearly as bad as Badgers
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