Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[Yuwipi Woman]

Seriously though, I have been reading his site today. I had no idea such people existed.

It's quite mad of course, and sociopathic even, but I can't help thinking that it's genuinely representative of a fairly substantial minority of young men these days. Betas or incels or whatever they call themselves. There does seem to be an awful lot of them around, and they weren't around in such numbers 10 or 15 years ago. Something's going on here.

Economic insecurity, imho. The things that women and minorities are used to experiencing are now being experienced by white men.

 

[Miss Caphat]

Seriously though, I have been reading his site today. I had no idea such people existed.

It's quite mad of course, and sociopathic even, but I can't help thinking that it's genuinely representative of a fairly substantial minority of young men these days. Betas or incels or whatever they call themselves. There does seem to be an awful lot of them around, and they weren't around in such numbers 10 or 15 years ago. Something's going on here.

The other thing that's going on is a huge anti-feminist movement, which always strikes me as odd because feminism seems like a very small and not very active movement these days.

It's all part of the movement to the right amongst a lot of people on the internet, at least. To these guys, everyone is either like them, or a feminazi, or a SJW (social justice warrior) or a white knight. These terms have all come to popularity via the internet and message boards, etc.

 

[phildwyer]

Economic insecurity, imho. The things that women and minorities are used to experiencing are now being experienced by white men.

What about open (as opposed to covert) hypergamy?

That's what the betas seem to blame. They might have a point. But it's certainly no worse, morally speaking, than men basing their attraction on purely physical characteristics. So yes, I think they're pissed off to find that morality has as little to do with female sexuality as it does with their own.

They think that being a "nice guy" ought to be the best way to attract women. They're shocked--shocked--to find that it ain't so. It never was so, but before feminism men were able to kid themselves that it was.

The consequences of this realization for male behavior are yet to fully reveal themselves, but they surely won't be pretty.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What about open (as opposed to covert) hypergamy?

That's what the betas seem to blame. They might have a point. But it's certainly no worse, morally speaking, than men basing their attraction on purely physical characteristics. So yes, I think they're pissed off to find that morality has as little to do with female sexuality as it does with their own.

They think that being a "nice guy" ought to be the best way to attract women. They're shocked--shocked--to find that it ain't so. It never was so, but before feminism men were able to kid themselves that it was.

The consequences of this realization for male behavior are yet to fully reveal themselves, but they surely won't be pretty.

I'm not certain what you're getting at here. Can you rephrase?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The other thing that's going on is a huge anti-feminist movement, which always strikes me as odd because feminism seems like a very small and not very active movement these days.

It's all part of the movement to the right amongst a lot of people on the internet, at least. To these guys, everyone is either like them, or a feminazi, or a SJW (social justice warrior) or a white knight. These terms have all come to popularity via the internet and message boards, etc.

I've noticed it as well. I liken it to the period after WWII. Women during WWII gained a lot of respect for not only holding the home front and doing "men's" jobs, but also helping the war effort by working in factories. When the men came home, some of the women expected to keep their equality, but it wasn't to be. There was a concerted effort in media and politics then to send the women home to make way for the men. I think something similar is going on. These men feel that women have to be sent home to make way for them.

 

[bimble]

But nothing.

What's the problem with using the terms "male sexuality" and "female sexuality?" Just where does the problem lie? In what does the difficulty reside? Exactly why do you find these terms inadequate?

Are you serious?
Do you think "male sexuality" and "female sexuality" are some sort of self evident nouns that exist in actual fact as defined by.. whom? You? Sigmund Freud? Mr.Roosh?

 

[agricola]

Seriously though, I have been reading his site today. I had no idea such people existed.

It's quite mad of course, and sociopathic even, but I can't help thinking that it's genuinely representative of a fairly substantial minority of young men these days. Betas or incels or whatever they call themselves. There does seem to be an awful lot of them around, and they weren't around in such numbers 10 or 15 years ago. Something's going on here.

It really isn't, though. It is just people trying to market the same thing (or rather a proclaimed shortcut to the same thing) to a group that has nearly always existed, and been offered similar get-laid-quick schemes, in every human society.

 

[bimble]

It is just people trying to market the same thing (or rather a proclaimed shortcut to the same thing) to a group that has nearly always existed, and been offered similar get-laid-quick schemes, in every human society.

That's lazy rubbish, i think. This stuff is a reaction to the environment in which it exists. Re-introduce dowry and no sex before marriage etc, put women 'back where they belong' and where would Roosh be ? Happily married, presumably.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I know I've posted this before, but I think its worth posting again:

The analysis by Dr. Deaton and Dr. Case may offer the most rigorous evidence to date of both the causes and implications of a development that has been puzzling demographers in recent years: the declining health and fortunes of poorly educated American whites. In middle age, they are dying at such a high rate that they are increasing the death rate for the entire group of middle-aged white Americans, Dr. Deaton and Dr. Case found.

The mortality rate for whites 45 to 54 years old with no more than a high school education increased by 134 deaths per 100,000 people from 1999 to 2014.

“It is difficult to find modern settings with survival losses of this magnitude,” wrote two Dartmouth economists, Ellen Meara and Jonathan S. Skinner, in a commentary to the Deaton-Case analysis to be published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

“Wow,” said Samuel Preston, a professor of sociology at the University of Pennsylvania and an expert on mortality trends and the health of populations, who was not involved in the research. “This is a vivid indication that something is awry in these American households.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/h...-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html

Although most of these men wouldn't know this statistic, I think most of them "feel it" and are, in part, reacting to it.

 

[purves grundy]

Are you serious?
Do you think "male sexuality" and "female sexuality" are some sort of self evident nouns that exist in actual fact as defined by.. whom? You? Sigmund Freud? Mr.Roosh?

Quite a complex and contested metaphysics going on here though.
.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

That's lazy rubbish, i think. This stuff is a reaction to the environment in which it exists. Re-introduce dowry and no sex before marriage etc, put women 'back where they belong' and where would Roosh be ? Happily married, presumably.

Or, at least married to a women who doesn't complain or talk back if she knows what's good for her.

 

[YouSir]

Meh

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I know I've posted this before, but I think its worth posting again:



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/03/h...-middle-aged-white-americans-study-finds.html

Although most of these men wouldn't know this statistic, I think most of them "feel it" and are, in part, reacting to it.

Maybe. The article doesn't give the actual rate for middle aged white people with lower education. Given that the overall rate for all middle-aged black people is still so much higher than it is for middle-aged white people as a whole, that rate for less-educated middle-aged white people may still be lower than, or is at the least little different from, that for all black people. Looks to me like they might be looking at this the wrong way.

 

[bimble]

Quite a complex and contested metaphysics going on here though.
.

Err.. didn't mean to get all metaphysical on you but.. what? Do you honestly think there are such things as 'male sexuality' and 'female sexuality'? if you do think so please expound your wisdoms.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Given that the overall rate for all middle-aged black people is still so much higher than it is for middle-aged white people as a whole, that rate for less-educated middle-aged white people may still be lower than, or is at the least little different from, that for all black people. Looks to me like they might be looking at this the wrong way.

That might not be a true as it used to be:

The steepest declines were for white women without a high school diploma, who lost five years of life between 1990 and 2008, said S. Jay Olshansky, a public health professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the lead investigator on the study, published last monthin Health Affairs. By 2008, life expectancy for black women without a high school diploma had surpassed that of white women of the same education level, the study found.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/u...-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html

Overall, whites live longer than everyone else. But for this particular demographic it's increasingly less so.

 

[killer b]

Err.. didn't mean to get all metaphysical on you but.. what? Do you honestly think there are such things as 'male sexuality' and 'female sexuality'? if you do think so please expound your wisdoms.

male and female sexuality are often expressed in very different ways - is there a better way of referring to them when discussing these differences?

 

[YouSir]

male and female sexuality are often expressed in very different ways - is there a better way of referring to them when discussing these differences?

Pictures of tits.

 

[bimble]

male and female sexuality are often expressed in very different ways - is there a better way of referring to them when discussing these differences?

I honestly don't get what you're saying. I really don't accept those categories as referencing anything real at all.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Pictures of tits.

 

[camouflage]

That's lazy rubbish, i think. This stuff is a reaction to the environment in which it exists. Re-introduce dowry and no sex before marriage etc, put women 'back where they belong' and where would Roosh be ? Happily married, presumably.

I disagree, because then he'd be head to head with other men over the 'property' that is woman... as we see in parts of the world were every woman is somebodys daughter or wife in a system of honour and shame. He'd end up shagging boys in bath-houses probably. He hates what he.... er... 'loves' I guess. Sexually independent women who shag who they choose to.

 

[killer b]

I honestly don't get what you're saying. I really don't accept those categories as referencing anything real at all.

ok.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

I disagree, because then he'd be head to head with other men over the 'property' that is woman... as we see in parts of the world were every woman is somebodys daughter or wife in a system of honour and shame. He'd end up shagging boys in bath-houses probably. He hates what he.... er... 'loves' I guess. Sexually independent women who shag who they choose to.

I have to admit that I suspect that some of his group are closeted homosexuals. I've seen studies that suggest the more homophobic a man is, the more likely he is to be aroused by homosexual imagery.

(Homophobic Men Most Aroused by Gay Male Porn)

 

[DaveCinzano]

I have to admit that I suspect that some of his group are closeted homosexuals. I've seen studies that suggest the more homophobic a man is, the more likely he is to be aroused by homosexual imagery.

Definitely suspect plenty of them get a boner every time they see a fridge.

 

[bimble]

He hates what he.... er... 'loves' I guess. Sexually independent women who shag who they choose to.

Well.. exactly (as in, it's a symptom/ reaction to the time, the climate we're living in ?

 

[irf520]

What about open (as opposed to covert) hypergamy?

That's what the betas seem to blame. They might have a point. But it's certainly no worse, morally speaking, than men basing their attraction on purely physical characteristics. So yes, I think they're pissed off to find that morality has as little to do with female sexuality as it does with their own.

They think that being a "nice guy" ought to be the best way to attract women. They're shocked--shocked--to find that it ain't so. It never was so, but before feminism men were able to kid themselves that it was.

The consequences of this realization for male behavior are yet to fully reveal themselves, but they surely won't be pretty.

That's pretty much the essence of the "Roosh V manifesto". Before feminism, women needed a man to provide for them, so they picked one who would be "a good provider" even if they didn't fancy him as much as the "bad boy". Now they are independent, they don't need a "provider" so they are free to shag the bad boy. Of course they can also keep a "provider" on the side, on "short rations", while shagging bad boys to their heart's content. Best of all is if they manage to get the "provider" to marry them. Then they can keep on shagging bad boys and there's nothing the provider can do about it other than hand over 50% or more of his assets (much more if there are children involved) or go postal.

 

[laptop]

Dwyer has a fan!

 

[frogwoman]

http://www.rooshv.com/how-men-are-being-socialized-to-act-like-women

wtf did I just read

 

[camouflage]

Well.. exactly (as in, it's a symptom/ reaction to the time, the climate we're living in ?

Well he wouldn't be happily married then, he'd be hemmed in by the boundaries of other mens family honour and probably lack the power or wealth necessary to get away with transgressing those boundaries.

 

[frogwoman]

My sister has three brothers who she has spent thousands of hours with. Without her even realizing it, she has developed a genuine sense of humor, giving her a personality that leans away from elegance and more towards entertainment, similar to what her oldest brother does when attempting to bed women. At the same time, my younger brother has picked up on a few of her mannerisms, making him less masculine in the process. This phenomenon is normal among mixed-sex families, but can you imagine the effect on people if they were forced to interact with the opposite sex not only in the home, but outside of it as well?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What about open (as opposed to covert) hypergamy?

That's what the betas seem to blame. They might have a point. But it's certainly no worse, morally speaking, than men basing their attraction on purely physical characteristics. So yes, I think they're pissed off to find that morality has as little to do with female sexuality as it does with their own.

They think that being a "nice guy" ought to be the best way to attract women. They're shocked--shocked--to find that it ain't so. It never was so, but before feminism men were able to kid themselves that it was.

The consequences of this realization for male behavior are yet to fully reveal themselves, but they surely won't be pretty.

This is bollocks. I agree with a lot of the 'it always was so' but you lost me with 'before feminism'. Really that is bollocks. if what you say were even a bit true, places like Iceland would be exploding. They're not.