littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fucking hell. The ISIS comparison really is the only one that starts to do justice to that.
Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'
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J Ed
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It's so strange that anyone who lives in the West in 2016 could write something like that, it's more like the sort of musings you would expect from an anthropologist who has come from another planet to do a bit of research on us.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I don't know... Better balanced, more rounded, socialised individuals?
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
I'm out my tree on cough medicine and Olbas oil at the moment, but can this really be a Daily Mail stringer catching Roosh (36) at home?
'Pro-rape' pick-up artist in stained t-shirt, living in mom's basement
(His mom's basement, obvs)
'Pro-rape' pick-up artist in stained t-shirt, living in mom's basement
(His mom's basement, obvs)
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Not so much a men's rights train, more a rape charabanc.
Vintage Paw
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FabricLiveBaby!
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I think there a quite strong links with Fight Club here. Fight club for me was all about one man's anger at what he saw as the "feminisation" of society. The protagonist complains about how his life revolves around seeming perfect, everyone shops at Ikea in a pressure to be as houseproud as the next person, he sells soap so that people can feel more "beautiful", he hates that his job is mundane and thankless. He unconsciously blames women for this (women have been putting up with this kind of shit for years) and is annoyed at them for the feminisation of society - invading *his* space and ruining his life.
He meets Myra (the only woman in the whole book) and dispises her when he starts turning up to various safe spaces faking illnesses. He feels like she's trying to take something away from him because she's invading his space. A woman invading his space again.
That's when he meets Tyler Durden, of course, his hyper-masculine alter ego, who tries to fix society by creating some uber masculine network.
The whole book focuses on the assumption that feminisation is to blame while sneakily pointing the finger at the real culprit - capitalist consumerism.
Women have been the target of consumerism, built on patriarchal power structures by men, for fucking ages. It can no longer exploit women (that market is saturated) in its demand for ever increasing growth and so it has started focusing on the men too. Men don't like it and blame the women, cos they are too blind to see that the problem is the patriarchal, gender-norms system men set up in the first place.
That is the iron of Tyler Durden. And Roosh.
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Some fuckwit on another board is climing roosh isnt an mra because mras are invovled in setting up shelters for battered men etc and not creepy rape apologists like pick up artists
i think everyone rather wishes they would do useful stuff like looking to help men who are abused, or helping men access mental health services rather than sit about and whine about how they are such winners so how come women withhold sex from them
The response to these types seems overthought to me. Surely, at the end of the day, the whole phenomenon derives purely and simply from objectification? If you see women as objects to be conquered, collected and owned, this is the result. If you see women as people with hopes and dreams and interests and flaws and ideas and idiocy of their own as individuals then you have to be some kind of psychopath (literally) just to want to use them for your own personal gratification.
Thing is that women aren't stupid and actually don't like being seen as objects in this way. So the objectifiers have to develop techniques to appear humanise themselves and hide their actual motivations.
And what do we blame for objectification? What do you think? What causes atomisation, dehumanisation, encourages us to see others as objects to be exploited for personal gain? Yep, it all again comes back to capitalisation and the consumer culture.
Thing is that women aren't stupid and actually don't like being seen as objects in this way. So the objectifiers have to develop techniques to appear humanise themselves and hide their actual motivations.
And what do we blame for objectification? What do you think? What causes atomisation, dehumanisation, encourages us to see others as objects to be exploited for personal gain? Yep, it all again comes back to capitalisation and the consumer culture.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
I am so over autocorrect. You would not believe how many times I had to go and awkwardly correct things in that last post.
In fact, you wouldn't believe how many times I had to go back and keep replacing "old" with "would" in that last sentence.
In fact, you wouldn't believe how many times I had to go back and keep replacing "old" with "would" in that last sentence.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
This angry white dude/MRA is a bizarre phenomenon. If you happen to be born in this day & age, in the west & white and with a penis you have for all intents and purposes won the genetic lottery and at least start out in life ahead of pretty much everyone else who has ever been born. The idea that you are some kind of disenfranchised, repressed social group suggests a special kind of wounded self entitlement.
Someone else mentioned fight club, and you find yourself thinking of Brad Pitts rant about "rock star movie stars" it seems bizarre (to me anyway) that MRAs activists have decided that they're not successful and getting laid and blAmed women for it.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Yuwupi woman's posts are interesting in this regard. In the us at least this is less true than it used to be. Poor white people struggling as much as poor anyone else. We do need to be careful not to generalise across countries I think. In the US, perhaps the link between race and class is weakening - more white people finding out just how brutal their country is for those at the bottom.
J Ed
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This is not true at all, look at the educational attainment of white working-class boys in this country relative to other groups. Also frankly things are getting worse these days for the working-class a a whole in all of the West, have you looked for entry level jobs recently? Jobs that used to require GCSEs need you to have a degree and many entry level jobs, even stuff like being a cashier in a cinema or working in a call centre, require you to do a sub-minimum wage apprenticeship first and this is all assuming you can get a job at all if not then you stand a very good chance of being forced to work for free.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Yes generalisation are wrong. But look st rooshv he's travelled the world, there are photos of him flashing large amounts of cash, and with expensive cars. He's a college educated bio chemist.
I think a lot of men's rights activists aren't traditional working class.
I'm not saying none of their personal circumstances doesn't mean they aren't disenfranchised or marginalised it just seems they've chosen a weird group to focus their hostility on.
It's not weird at all if you look at it through the prism of objectification. Women are objects they want and are denied. So they get angry at those doing the denying.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
bimble
floofy
Kind of stating the obvious, this piece, but doing it well:
"Roosh’s pseudo-intellectualism can be boiled down to a single point: the modern world is chipping away at his privilege, and he – and his followers – don’t like it at all.. While equality isn’t a zero-sum game, true cultural and political change will require privileged groups to lose some ground – to give up some of that privilege. Behind the long words and cultural theory, Roosh and his followers are the men simply refusing to do so. "
Men's rights activist Roosh V isn't just a sexist: he hates the modern world
"Roosh’s pseudo-intellectualism can be boiled down to a single point: the modern world is chipping away at his privilege, and he – and his followers – don’t like it at all.. While equality isn’t a zero-sum game, true cultural and political change will require privileged groups to lose some ground – to give up some of that privilege. Behind the long words and cultural theory, Roosh and his followers are the men simply refusing to do so. "
Men's rights activist Roosh V isn't just a sexist: he hates the modern world
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ambient clown remix
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Also The Incredibles, especially the first half hour or so.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
If you're not a white man (and in fact if you are one), then wondering about with white supremacist claptrap like that in your head means you've already lost at life in my humble opinion.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I dunno, nuthin wrong with a little objectification every now an then. Nobody wants to be tied up or sat on all day long obviously.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
There seems to be an oddly unchallenged bit of crap being repeated by some, which is that women want men who will treat them badly. Which is patent nonsense and enormously insulting to boot. What is probably more accurate is that lots of people, especially when not ready to settle down, are attracted to men and women who are exciting.
Spontaneous, unpredictable people show us a slice of life we don't already know. Give us a chance to try on a new version of ourselves. For lots of people, that's very attractive.
Sometimes people let us down, and it hurts. When those people and relationships are dramatic and exciting, the letting down process can feel like a bigger crash. We notice it more when people we know have those kinds of breakups.
But that's not the same as "women like bastards".
Spontaneous, unpredictable people show us a slice of life we don't already know. Give us a chance to try on a new version of ourselves. For lots of people, that's very attractive.
Sometimes people let us down, and it hurts. When those people and relationships are dramatic and exciting, the letting down process can feel like a bigger crash. We notice it more when people we know have those kinds of breakups.
But that's not the same as "women like bastards".
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Well yeah a lot of jihadi stuff goes into that sort of territory tbh. But its under the guise of protecting women though, but its barely concealed.
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