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Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

I think I'm sharing a house with one of these lads. Went out for a beer with him today and he had lots of stats to hand (their accuracy I know not) on women's sexual partners in different parts of the world. Then it was something about immigrants...

Am quite weary.
 
I think I'm sharing a house with one of these lads. Went out for a beer with him today and he had lots of stats to hand (their accuracy I know not) on women's sexual partners in different parts of the world. Then it was something about immigrants...

Am quite weary.


yep, normal dudes without a cross to bear against women don't harbour these stats in their heads
 
I think I'm sharing a house with one of these lads. Went out for a beer with him today and he had lots of stats to hand (their accuracy I know not) on women's sexual partners in different parts of the world. Then it was something about immigrants...

Am quite weary.

There's a lot of it about. I was speculating a bit about why, much earlier in the thread.

We were speculating a bit on the differences between the social/economic profile of some of these guys and the traditional opponents of 'cultural marxism' (white supremacists etc)

One thing that strikes me though, there seems to be a big cross-over between this demographic and the gamergate demographic.

Is it possible that some sort of rancid cultural hegemony has actually been achieved already for these ideas in certain big chunks of gamer (and related online) culture?

Has such hegemony been achieved in milieus that are in effect a significant element of what passes for socialisation for many young men?

Knowing where he got that stuff, and whereabouts online if that's where it was, would be an interesting data point.
 
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I just don't buy anything that sounds like a single cause here.

There are multiple questions in need of answers, each complex enough to demand a multi-causal explanation:

1) Why are young men looking for sexual enlightenment from other men marketing themselves as PUA gurus?
2) Why are they conceiving the whole business in terms of (quasi-magical?) techniques applied to depersonalised prey?
3) Why are they bonding online with other men around such activities and occasionally terrorising women in self-organised packs?
4) How are they constructing the 'insane' (and in some cases quite evidently dangerous) forms of anti-feminist subjectivity that you mentioned earlier?
5) Why are they formulating conspiracy theories about society outside their group and why do those theories sound so similar to those of racial supremacists?

I'm sure I'll think of some more in a minute ...

As ever, a desire to belong, and for a simple explanation of a complex issue, opens the door to identity politics, and its most toxic features: insularity, 'othering', a conception of rights as a zero sum game, negative reinforcement, language as a shibboleth etc..

And who benefits from the fracturing of disaffection? Both at the level of those movements, and more generally?
 
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As ever, a desire to belong, and for a simple explanation of a complex issue, opens the door to identity politics, and its most toxic features: insularity, 'othering', a conception of rights as a zero sum game, negative reinforcement, language as a shibboleth etc..

And who benefits from the fracturing of disaffection? Both at the level of those movements, and more generally?

Yeah this is kind of what I was on about earlier when I was talking about identify formation. From what I've seen of these guys they're kind of 'lost', declassed and confused about how to be adult males, about their place in society.

So perhaps what happens is that they find a way to address this by hooking up with a 'tribe' of young men in a similar position, modelling themselves against more or less heroic fantasy identities, defining themselves as victims of, but capable of acting cunningly and/or heroically against some depersonalised other, talking about tactics and techniques as a way to build assurance, swapping and judging each others' hunting and/or war stories, perhaps even taking part in collective actions etc.

I guess I'm not speaking specifically of PUA types here, but more of about the family resemblance between members of a set of linked online male-dominated milieus which readily swap memes like conspiracy theories about 'cultural marxism', white male as victim etc.

So it's not necessarily a case of say the far right intentionally seeking benefits from getting MRA types and/or the sociopathic end of the gaming community to take up their war on 'cultural marxism'.

It's more like those milieus inherently being fertile ground for such ideas due to their similarities of composition and internal dynamics.
 
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As ever, a desire to belong, and for a simple explanation of a complex issue, opens the door to identity politics, and its most toxic features: insularity, 'othering', a conception of rights as a zero sum game, negative reinforcement, language as a shibboleth etc..

If women find you unattractive it's easier to apportion blame than change yourself.

And who benefits from the fracturing of disaffection? Both at the level of those movements, and more generally?

Roosh has a collection of books and regularly talks about his site in terms of views (ad traffic)
 
If a person were to read these 2 bestselling books one after the other, that would probably be really depressing but kind of interesting too.
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If a person were to read these 2 bestselling books one after the other, that would probably be really depressing but kind of interesting too.
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returning briefly to your earlier claim about All Men wanting 21 year auld women, you never answered my post where i pointed out you were conflating 'looks best' with 'wants' which is, to my mind, like apples and pears. yes, tbh in appearance there is a case to be made for young women looking particularly attractive to look at. they have, after all, no lines or wrinkles. but in substance someone who is 21 has vastly less life experience than someone of 25, 30, 40, 50. all the things which go to form the real basis for a relationship are only present in reduced quantity if one partner is, say, 21 and the other 40. seems to me you were saying that appearance only is what makes All Men want a woman: a bold claim. in addition, going further back to another point i find it rather strange that you appear to suggest polygynist cultures are more primitive than christian ones on the basis of no obvious evidence.
 
If a person were to read these 2 bestselling books one after the other, that would probably be really depressing but kind of interesting too.
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Common misconception about the game book. It's not a how to manual itself but a book about PUAs and the society that sprung up online in the early 00s. Yeah the author did become one himself but it's not a manual. It's actually worth a read just to show how creepy and socially odd some of these people are. It also signposts why some are attracted to it (lack of male role model, broken home etc).

It seems vastly different now. I did read the odd bit of literature in my early 20s for the same reasons I mentioned. I never did anything with it because the whole thing is just really weird and really American. The misogyny and down right anger was nothing like then as it seems to be now. In fact I seem to remember people who exhibited outright hatred for women being openly mocked and policed in some way. All that seems to be out the window now and it's morphed into really ugly hostility towards women laced with right wing conspiracy theories.

To be clear I'm not longing for the 'good old days' of PUAs just pointing out that a lot of it was more awkward and misguided 'tips' that'll probably get you more laughed at than anything else. It's taken a much more sinister turn it seems, as I suspect it always was going to and I don't doubt it's for the wider social reasons already discussed.
 
I disagree with it.

We're going round in circles now, but I remain convinced that in general hetero women are primarily sexually attracted to men of a higher social status than themselves, in the same way that in general hetero men are primarily sexually attracted to women of child-bearing age.

Neither women nor men can always get what they want. But I'm pretty sure--actually I'm absolutely sure--that is what they (in general) want.

Such a dull, thin , one dimensional view of human sexuality, with apparently zero acknowledgment of how neatly it fits in with capitalisms' needs / requirements.
 
returning briefly to your earlier claim about All Men wanting 21 year auld women, you never answered my post where i pointed out you were conflating 'looks best' with 'wants' which is, to my mind, like apples and pears. yes, tbh in appearance there is a case to be made for young women looking particularly attractive to look at. they have, after all, no lines or wrinkles. but in substance someone who is 21 has vastly less life experience than someone of 25, 30, 40, 50. all the things which go to form the real basis for a relationship are only present in reduced quantity if one partner is, say, 21 and the other 40. seems to me you were saying that appearance only is what makes All Men want a woman: a bold claim.

Good morning. Yep, the word 'want' is not the same thing as 'would be most likely to enjoy the company of / be happy with in the long term' or whatever. That's why I used the word want ... cos that sad bunch of data (where men's desire seems to just get stuck at 21 year old women - was just about that, about what men and women find physically attractive, just from photographs.

When it comes to what men say they are actually looking for (when they enter their desired age search criteria into the dating website) the numbers are very different, of course.
Partly that may be because they know they're quite unlikely to get much luck from messaging 21 year olds, and also because everyone can see your age range and nobody wants to look like a creep.. but anyway, the numbers look much more respectable (grey bit is the age range of women they say they would like to meet)

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Thing is though.. once they start actually sending messages to women on the website this is what they do: Almost never actually get in touch with women who are not significantly younger than themselves. :(

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going further back to another point i find it rather strange that you appear to suggest polygynist cultures are more primitive than christian ones on the basis of no obvious evidence.
Not at all, I never said anything about 'primitiveness'. It's just that christianity, often via colonialism, appears to have had a lot to do with spreading the institution of monogamous one man one woman marriage all over the place, replacing other forms of social organisation, because in Christianity (apart from in Utah?) polygamy is a sin..
 
Roosh has a collection of books and regularly talks about his site in terms of views (ad traffic)
Yes, he is one beneficiary. But, also, there's other interests that are served by the deflection and splintering of people unsatisfied with the status quo.
 
Common misconception about the game book. It's not a how to manual itself but a book about PUAs and the society that sprung up online in the early 00s. Yeah the author did become one himself but it's not a manual. It's actually worth a read just to show how creepy and socially odd some of these people are. It also signposts why some are attracted to it (lack of male role model, broken home etc).
Yeah, it looks worth a read. It's the other one that I'm dreading. :D
 
Good morning. Yep, the word 'want' is not the same thing as 'would be most likely to enjoy the company of / be happy with in the long term' or whatever. That's why I used the word want ... cos that sad bunch of data (where men's desire seems to just get stuck at 21 year old women - was just about that, about what men and women find physically attractive, just from photographs.
no, that sad bunch of data is about how people look not do you want to fuck :facepalm: do you not see something wrong in saying 'this data which is appearance is also data about desire' when from what you've posted that isn't in fact the case?



Not at all, I never said anything about 'primitiveness'. It's just that christianity, often via colonialism, appears to have had a lot to do with spreading the institution of monogamous one man one woman marriage all over the place, replacing other forms of social organisation, because in Christianity (apart from in Utah?) polygamy is a sin..
just taking two religions older than christianity, namely the roman religion and judaism, you don' see polygamy in either of them. but you don't seem familiar with the notion of something being implicit rather than explicit. why is that?
 
ok.. we'll just have to disagree about whether 'looks good' = would like to fuck, if that's ok. I think they're very close, and very different from 'would like to be in a long term mutually fulfilling relationship with', for instance.
Also.. what? Talmudic Judaism is full of Polygamy, detailed laws about how to treat your lesser wives fairly etc. But it's not practiced anymore, that's true. Not sure what you're talking about, implicitly.
 
I honestly don't know how men think these views will get them laid unless they find some backward woman who's never had an original thought in her life, like it's seriously unattractive and they cant see how they are worsening their own chances

Going by the news reports a lot of this lowlifes advice seems to be if none of that other stuff works , then plan b is to target drunk women who are on their own , follow them home and not to take no for an answer no matter how many times it's said.

Warning. This is a bit of a disturbing read so anyone who's likely to be upset reading that stuff just don't. It's dark shit . He should be in jail, and hopefully will someday .

Secrets of the infamous Daryush Valizadeh aka RooshV aka Roosh V
 
Going by the news reports a lot of this lowlifes advice seems to be if none of that other stuff works , then plan b is to target drunk women who are on their own , follow them home and not to take no for an answer no matter how many times it's said.

Warning. This is a bit of a disturbing read so anyone who's likely to be upset reading that stuff just don't. It's dark shit . He should be in jail, and hopefully will someday .

Secrets of the infamous Daryush Valizadeh aka RooshV aka Roosh V

How is he not in jail already? Even if his victims don't come forward surely repeatedly confessing/boasting counts for something?
 
ok.. we'll just have to disagree about whether 'looks good' = would like to fuck, if that's ok. I think they're very close, and very different from 'would like to be in a long term mutually fulfilling relationship with', for instance.
Also.. what? Talmudic Judaism is full of Polygamy, detailed laws about how to treat your lesser wives fairly etc. But it's not practiced anymore, that's true. Not sure what you're talking about, implicitly.
no, i didn't think you would be.
 
Going by the news reports a lot of this lowlifes advice seems to be if none of that other stuff works , then plan b is to target drunk women who are on their own , follow them home and not to take no for an answer no matter how many times it's said.

Warning. This is a bit of a disturbing read so anyone who's likely to be upset reading that stuff just don't. It's dark shit . He should be in jail, and hopefully will someday .

Secrets of the infamous Daryush Valizadeh aka RooshV aka Roosh V
FFS he's an actual walking, talking rapist isn't he!? He's bragging about it too! Why the fuck is he still walking the streets? There is of course the full possibility it's all bullshit but even if it is he's still inciting rape.
 
It's not funny that he should get death threats. But it's funny that he fits the stereotype of the keyboard warrior in his mother's basement. And yes, that he lacks responsibility. The whole trajectory of the story is that of an immature person whose fantasy gets out of hand, and is then grounded.

I don't think its funny. I think its a bit sad and wonder if lot of these guys are clinically depressed. After all, Roosh V has an education as a biochemist. There's no reason he shouldn't be independent, but he chooses to live with his mother instead.
 
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FFS he's an actual walking, talking rapist isn't he!? He's bragging about it too! Why the fuck is he still walking the streets? There is of course the full possibility it's all bullshit but even if it is he's still inciting rape.

Without a victim coming forward its kinda hard to prosecute. All he has to say is that he lied about it to sell books. Might even be close to the truth. There's no reason to believe anything he's said at all.
 
I don't think its funny. I think its a bit sad and wonder lot of these guys are clinically depressed. After all, Roosh V has an education as a biochemist. There's no reason he shouldn't be independent, but he chooses to live with his mother instead.

The dickheads self promoted notoriety has basically made him unemployable . Anyone taking life advice from this asshole really needs their head examined .
 
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