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I see drag as more like blackface.
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cesare
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cesare
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Depends on the audience if you think of it as a performative art?
depends who you ask, everyone has an opinion, mine is that while drag is quite skilled a lot of it is unfortunately discriminatory against women if you aren't one of those handmaiden faghag types, my opinion on white people with dreads is that usually they stink, no one washes them properly, and they tend to look properly manky. as to whether people should or shouldn't be allowed them I hold no opinion although some black people would see it as cultural appropriation and say no
I just think that if you as a man, gay or otherwise, respect and value women then drag would be a no go area. just like not buying products from israel or not using the N word, if it means what you sais it means then you wouldn't do it, I for one am sick of men explaining away drag as a bit of fun or liking it doesn't mean they don't respect women or how 'feminist' they are
'I respect and love women so much that I dress up as one and parade around going giiiiirlllll on stage for money' jog on twat.
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you could say that about b&w minstrels tbf...
totally this, aren't the women folks funny...
A fundamental feature of phil's bullshit? There's only one man he's aiming to entertain.
cesare
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Me and button were just discussing who it's aimed at. And the difference between burlesque emphasising men's view of femininity v drag emphasising men's view of femininity and why drag would be worse than burlesque.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
No, my thinking of it was along the lines of MRA being a form of entertainment/performance.
Oh, yeah definitely.
bimble
floofy
Maybe, but only to the extent that say Britain First and its ilk are just a harmless sideshow, a bunch of clowns showing off for each other etc.
men created burlesque, men ran the establishments, the girl being in charge is a perpetuated lie just like empowerment to get fresh meat in, it didn't just pop up from nowhere, it was around a long time before the 60's it's about women being there to serve men in any capacity.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on Burlesque:
And it would be Hebden Bridge wouldn't it? Horrible place. I was smiling when all the cup cake shops were flooded.
And it would be Hebden Bridge wouldn't it? Horrible place. I was smiling when all the cup cake shops were flooded.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
*everything* is about women serving men, in whatever form.
FridgeMagnet
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BTW it's interesting (or at least I found it slightly interesting and also maybe of some practical use) that people like Roosh and the RoK folk frequently don't like "MRAs" at all, and don't associate themselves with them. The reasons for this basically boil down to:
* MRAs, publicly, say that the rights of men are being done down and things are unfair to men and they just want equal rights. (Regardless of how bizarre and bullshit their claimed reasons behind this, that's their underlying position; hence "Men's Rights Activists".)
* Hardcore RoK types don't think women should have the same rights as men full stop, so the above is meaningless. They also think that trying to appeal to fairness and equality is unmasculine, and pretty much cultural Marxism.
This confuses a lot of men involved, given that the scenes are all mixed up and there are continua of opinion.
* MRAs, publicly, say that the rights of men are being done down and things are unfair to men and they just want equal rights. (Regardless of how bizarre and bullshit their claimed reasons behind this, that's their underlying position; hence "Men's Rights Activists".)
* Hardcore RoK types don't think women should have the same rights as men full stop, so the above is meaningless. They also think that trying to appeal to fairness and equality is unmasculine, and pretty much cultural Marxism.
This confuses a lot of men involved, given that the scenes are all mixed up and there are continua of opinion.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Well, that has confirmed my undying hatred of the sort of person who starts out on the left before going to be a diehard reactionary.
One life-long Tory is worth a hundred of those trash.
bimble
floofy
I dunno. These people make a living somehow, every Saturday night apparently in a city near you.
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cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh ffs. What's new about that? Chippendales.
bimble
floofy
Nothing new at all, an established part of the sex show entertainment market - was only saying not "*everything* is about women serving men", unless i took you too literally like.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The sex show entertainment market is owned by men and they get most of the profit. Just because they're able to capitalise on creating a sex show for women doesn't mean they don't own it.
bimble
floofy
oh, ok. what about Anne Summers then ? *scrapes barrel*
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
oh, ok. what about Anne Summers then ? *scrapes barrel*
In your scraping the barrel you're presenting that some women capitalise on men's fantasies of women. Well, d'uh. You can't separate patriarchy from capitalism and also religion. Those three work in tandem to exploit women.
FridgeMagnet
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No, it's not. I've seen porn mags from the 70s and 80s which have adverts for rape drugs, explicitly sold for the purposes of rape. (Though they actually said things like "powerful fast-acting placebos!", presumably because the sellers thought potential purchasers wouldn't know what "placebo" meant and they could get away without the legal and financial costs of selling actual drugs.) Drugging women to rape them has been a thing for decades; just see Bill Cosby. The level of misogyny this involves isn't new. As a man I've had men express these sort of things to me on and off for ages, somehow thinking that I would be sympathetic, that everything had gone too far and things were now biased against men and women could do anything they liked—much in the same way that on and off a few people have said that the Jews were to blame for everything.
ann summers and male strippers are things that women are regularly shamed for not liking or not approving of, it's a subtly engineered social control thing, if men hadn't have created lingerie and the sexualised media image of women would ann summers even exist? they are imo unfortunate victims as much as we are, there is a social expectation on women to look good for men which is twisted in that we end up with magazines and messages telling us that we should look good for ourselves and it's a lie people end up telling themselves ultimately
I suppose thats the same as racist white people saying things to you as if they believe because the person they are talking to is also white they will share the same views
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
What's your take on Drag Kings then?
thats a whole different discussion about the oppressed mocking the oppressor unless you are the type to consider the global oppression of women as not a real thing.
and again detracts from the issue placing men at the centre.
I can do words, me.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
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