Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[bimble]

There's an entire internet phenomenon based on pictures of him with dogs.

I prefer HotDudesWithKittens - Official (@hotdudeswithkittens) • Instagram photos and videos but you know, each to their own

 

[Pickman's model]

Well it seems that we're finally approaching a consensus here. We can all agree on the following three points:

1. Roosh and his followers and imitators are convinced that women are practicing open hypergamy.
2. They are really, really pissed off about it.
3. They are foolish and wrong to be pissed off about it.

That's a quite remarkable degree of consensus for U75. The fact that we've been able to achieve it shows that this Roosh phenomenon is as serious as it is ludicrous, iyswim.

i always like seeing the dwyer phallacy being played

 

[Pickman's model]

entitled little shits ain't worked out no one wants to fuck them cus they are rape advocate MRA's, pathetic idiots.

it's easy to blame women for your utter failure as a human being, it speaks volumes.

even worse are the liberal 'male feminist' (lol cus women arent allowed anything of their own are they mneerrrr inclusion - fuck off m8) encouraging the 'choice' element of sex work when most people who are in it are fucking desperate and vulnerable, just to ensure they have access to women and to have their erections serviced as if it's a human right.

empowerment is a total fucking lie, its a trick, always was.

good to see you posting again

 

[Bernie Gunther]

It's quite interesting to search MRA / PUA sources for the use of the term 'cultural marxism'

I know Anders Breivik's manifesto is full of MRA sort of stuff.

How much cross-over is there between this lot and the racist right I wonder?

 

[bimble]

It's quite interesting to search MRA / PUA sources for the use of the term 'cultural marxism'

Is there a version of Godwin's law that decrees every conversation on the internet sooner or later ends up with something to do with them Jews?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

entitled little shits ain't worked out no one wants to fuck them cus they are rape advocate MRA's, pathetic idiots.

it's easy to blame women for your utter failure as a human being, it speaks volumes.

even worse are the liberal 'male feminist' (lol cus women arent allowed anything of their own are they mneerrrr inclusion - fuck off m8) encouraging the 'choice' element of sex work when most people who are in it are fucking desperate and vulnerable, just to ensure they have access to women and to have their erections serviced as if it's a human right.

empowerment is a total fucking lie, its a trick, always was.

/points finger

SWERF! SWERF! (etc etc)



I think you're dead right about some of this stuff. It's a particular brand of douchebag (male - usually) feminist, (or rich woman who could afford to ACTUALLY choose) who completely deny that social class might have something to do with life choices.

Who cares as long as they can get their dick wet and show their support for women's liberation! ? Or rich sex workers can continue to be rich?

 

[Vintage Paw]

It's quite interesting to search MRA / PUA sources for the use of the term 'cultural marxism'

I know Anders Breivik's manifesto is full of MRA sort of stuff.

How much cross-over is there between this lot and the racist right I wonder?

Quite a bit of cross-over, although mostly on the fringes.

Case in point is that twat Dawkins retweeting an MRA tweet the other day, which contained white supremacist hidden material.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Quite a bit of cross-over, although mostly on the fringes.

Case in point is that twat Dawkins retweeting an MRA tweet the other day, which contained white supremacist hidden material.

I'm trying to put my finger here on what they have in common and it's something like this.

Both white supremacists and MRA/PUA seem to feel that "cultural marxism" has somehow cheated them out of something they feel was theirs by right due to being white and/or male.

 

[BigTom]

I'm trying to put my finger here on what they have in common and it's something like this.

Both white supremacists and MRA/PUA seem to feel that "cultural marxism" has somehow cheated them out of something they feel was theirs by right due to being white and/or male.

Far right culture is pretty masculine (although also often rather homo-erotic as these things tend to be), which is attractive to MRAs, and ime far right tends to be pretty traditional/patriachal which means they find common ground with MRAs.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Perhaps the key word here is 'tradition' ... ?

Their expectation is shaped by cultural archetypes (or something like) which economic and social realities no longer (if they ever did) support.

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah i never trust men who say they're feminists lol. I know that is unfair but imo actions speak louder than words and men who loudly proclaim their support for womens rights can be some of the worst creeps imaginable.

 

[Sweet FA]

"i think all his nos mean yes"
"He's asking for it"
"Oh so now he is worried about consent...wtf"
"He was wanting it really"

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Actually, it turns out Roosh himself has spoken out on 'multiculturalism' in terms pretty much indistinguishable from those used by the racist right ...

Multiculturalism through immigration is not an accident and it’s not spontaneous. It’s sponsored and enabled by the U.S. federal government. Massive immigration is used by the government to destroy the social fabric and traditions of a country, setting up an effective divide-and-conquer strategy that makes you fearful, demoralized, weak, and distracted.

Immigration is a weapon used to weaken the strongest members of a society, its native-born citizens, so it’s harder for them to realize the crimes of their government and to gather the strength to fight back.

Open borders immigration is therefore an effective method of human control. This is why the government is on board with multiculturalism, and is actively displacing native-born Americans to make way for Third World immigrants.

Instead of encouraging Americans to have big healthy families, they’re bringing in foreigners instead who don’t even speak English.

Roosh Valizadeh: Multiculturalism is a Government Plot to Displace 'Native-Born' Americans

 

[killer b]

I haven't really been following these sections of the thread, but to play devil's advocate, I would say that no matter where men's looks factor into attraction for women, the very sad fact is that society seems to reinforce to men that it's what they do (being smart, being funny, being athletic, being musically talented, doing cool things, being a "good guy") that matters as far as attracting women, whereas women almost never get that reinforcement. The reinforcement women get is almost always about their looks.

What kernel of truth there is in phils argument is just this. And the 'open hypergamy' he observes isn't anything to do with the successes of feminism - it's evidence of the ongoing inequality of the sexes, a world where women still have to rely on men for their ongoing security.

Many women do make a calculated (or more often unconscious) decision to chose security in a partner over other characteristics they find attractive. They do this partly because of the conditioning you mention, and partly because - whatever the MRA freaks claim - the die remains heavily loaded for the men, and choosing a partner who can provide that security is a rational way of ensuring their own security.

 

[BigTom]

Bernie Gunther Also think it would be worth considering the extent to which both MRAs and the far right are outcroppings of the same economic pressures, that in this generation have been pushed towards misogyny rather than racism but underlying both is 40 years of neo-liberal economics and the loss of actual material benefits and also perceived entitlement (both economically and socially/sexually) and the anger that results from that, turned outward, in one towards other races and the other towards women, rather than toward capital.

But I get the impression that a lot of the MRAs are depressed young men (I think if you describe yourself as beta then you are probably depressed), and it'd be worth asking what that has to do with the existence of the MRA community, and whether there's a growing rate of depression that might be driving this (which also may be resulting from the neo-liberal economic pressures being introduced).

 

[andysays]

Perhaps the key word here is 'tradition' ... ?

Their expectation is shaped by cultural archetypes (or something like) which economic and social realities no longer (if they ever did) support.

Another key word or theme in all this is reactionary.

They (MRAs, white-rights, etc) are reacting against social, economic and cultural changes in the direction of equality which undermine their previously privileged position. But because they can't really say they're opposed to equality, they have claim that women now have more rights than men, non-whites more than whites, etc, and that so-called "cultural marxists" who are challenging structures of privilege are actually attacking those individuals who previously benefited from that privilege (and still do to a significant extent).

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Bernie Gunther Also think it would be worth considering the extent to which both MRAs and the far right are outcroppings of the same economic pressures, that in this generation have been pushed towards misogyny rather than racism but underlying both is 40 years of neo-liberal economics and the loss of actual material benefits and also perceived entitlement (both economically and socially/sexually) and the anger that results from that, turned outward, in one towards other races and the other towards women, rather than toward capital.

But I get the impression that a lot of the MRAs are depressed young men (I think if you describe yourself as beta then you are probably depressed), and it'd be worth asking what that has to do with the existence of the MRA community, and whether there's a growing rate of depression that might be driving this (which also may be resulting from the neo-liberal economic pressures being introduced).

I was wondering about that kind of stuff too, but I'm not sure what to say about it.

I can certainly see that there's a relationship between neo-liberal economics and the near collapse of what you might call the white working class / lower middle class breadwinner / traditional male role-model possibilities in the communities around here (Merseyside)

The online variety of MRA seems to profile younger and maybe a bit more educated though? Something about role-model confusion maybe? Unrealistic (media driven) expectations?

 

[bimble]

Yeah i never trust men who say they're feminists lol. I know that is unfair but imo actions speak louder than words and men who loudly proclaim their support for womens rights can be some of the worst creeps imaginable.

Yep, that's unfair. I think men getting involved and pulling up other men on their sexism is important. But of course yes, actions are even better.
I've got a male friend for instance who works in the tech industry (computer programmer) who genuinely cares about making that sector a less male dominated place. He does practical things to try to push that agenda forward. Also gives away to charity the percentage of his salary that's the average difference between what men and women earn in his sort of position. Just saying, Not all feminist men are trilby hat wearing arseholes who are just pretending to agree with you cos they think maybe then you'll sleep with them.

 

[bluescreen]

Anyone here read this book? Any good? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/24/books/review/angry-white-men-by-michael-kimmel.html

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

I'm trying to put my finger here on what they have in common and it's something like this.

Both white supremacists and MRA/PUA seem to feel that "cultural marxism" has somehow cheated them out of something they feel was theirs by right due to being white and/or male.

They all post shit about the #RegressiveLeft that's for certain.

If you want a good laugh (not funny ha ha) do a search for that hashtag on Twitter.

 

[BigTom]

I was wondering about that kind of stuff too, but I'm not sure what to say about it.

I can certainly see that there's a relationship between neo-liberal economics and the near collapse of what you might call the white working class / lower middle class breadwinner / traditional male role-model possibilities in the communities around here (Merseyside)

The online variety of MRA seems to profile younger and maybe a bit more educated though? Something about role-model confusion maybe?

Definitely younger, and I think there's a fair amount of uni/college graduates but the neo-liberal economics has chipped away at the middle class too, and this generation(s) have lost the long term security the previous couple had. Not been hit in anything like the same way but in the last 8 years have lost a lot and degrees don't mean jobs anymore at all. PUA stuff has been around in this form since at least the late 90s/early 00s on usenet, MRA I think is more recent but not sure - is the growth of this shit related to the financial crash and following recessions?
Timing could be far more prosaic than that though - the internet facilitates this, as someone else said earlier in this thread (or in the other similar one), in that what would have been geographically isolated individuals are brought together in an online echo-chamber where they reinforce their beliefs - and possibly create co-dependent depressive type relationships with each other.

 

[Kaka Tim]

From what i can glean the MRA types are from more middle class, educated, backgrounds then the far right. But the the younger ones may be growing up saddled with debt, struggling to afford a mortgage and if you add social isolation and latent misogyny into that mix your going to get some pretty embittered individuals who can now find each other via social media. On their own I dont think they're ever going to be anything more than a nasty fringe - but they add new toxic perspectives to existing reactionary discourses.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

#RegressiveLeft

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Weird innit..?

 

[Spymaster]

First you phwaooor, then you go awwwhhhhhh

Is that fella typically good looking then?

 

[killer b]

Who are these people (other than dawkins. I know who he is)?

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Mainly random weirdos, just a selection of those that use the term regressive left.

Apart from majid nawaz. He runs the Quilliam Foundation.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

From what i can glean the MRA types are from more middle class, educated, backgrounds then the far right. But the the younger ones may be growing up saddled with debt, struggling to afford a mortgage and if you add social isolation and latent misogyny into that mix your going to get some pretty embittered individuals who can now find each other via social media. On their own I dont think they're ever going to be anything more than a nasty fringe - but they add new toxic perspectives to existing reactionary discourses.

What I keep seeing in these fringe areas is memes (Dawkins was good for something at least) from one family of counter-cultural milieus being appropriated (and often refactored) by others with slightly different agendas.

So you'll get stuff like the 'White Genocide' meme that apparently starts out among actual holocaust-denying neo-nazis being appropriated by people on the zionist fringe of the far-right (like Breivik and his influences) for islamophobic purposes.

Similarly some of the MRA themes resonate (expectations of privilege set and then denied due to cultural marxist conspiracy etc) with racists and vice versa, so they get passed around and mutate.

 

[killer b]

Mainly random weirdos, just a selection of those that use the term regressive left.

Apart from majid nawaz. He runs the Quilliam Foundation.

What are you hoping to demonstrate by quoting some random weirdos off twitter?

 

[laptop]

What are you hoping to demonstrate by quoting some random weirdos off twitter?

I was interested to see a cross-section of idiots using the rl label, thanks.