Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[Vintage Paw]

Unanimous among women like you.

So not really unanimous at all then.

Gosh, it's almost as if different women find different things attractive or something.

 

[phildwyer]

I suggest you fuck off dwyer, because for a start you can't seem to understand what the fucking problem is with telling women they're wrong about what they find attractive. You're telling women you know more about women than women know about women. You're telling women you know more about what gets them wet than they experience when they actually, you know, get wet.

I find that what people say they find sexually exciting is very often different from what they actually do find sexually exciting. I find this to be true of men and women alike.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I find that what people say they find sexually exciting is very often different from what they actually do find sexually exciting. I find this to be true of men and women alike.

In your wide experience of being present when men and women become sexually aroused.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Would you like a link to AO3?

Or are you not interested in what women think and feel for themselves?

 

[phildwyer]

i was trying to paraphrase Paw's "amongst women who have plenty of access to all sorts of sexual and romantic content (media, and the groups and communities that grow up around them) there were nothing but outspoken critics of the books/film and the type of dominance it was trying to sell. "

But surely you must accept that this attitude was not shared by the general public.

As you say, both the book and the film of Fifty Shades were remarkably successful, particularly among women.

I see no purchase in ignoring or denying that fact.

 

[frogwoman]

Well lets say the scenario of porn. Imagine a tv repairman or a plumber wanks to a porn movie about plumbers going round to fix a boiler and instead being fucked by a woman with huge tits who answers the door. I bet that if something like this looked as though it could happen during the course of their job (ie a scantly clad porn star looking woman answering the door when they came to fix the boiler) many men who found that fantasy a turn on would be a bit disturbed tbh.

 

[bimble]

I find that what people say they find sexually exciting is very often different from what they actually do find sexually exciting. I find this to be true of men and women alike.

Book recommendation:
"Dataclysm: Who We Are When We Think No one's Looking', by Christian Rudder, a mathematician who designed OkCupid, one of the world's most popular dating sites.
He has access to all the data about what people really want as opposed to what they say they want, and presents it well.
I'm only halfway through but it's good, if depressing. Possibly even better than your second sight.

 

[8den]

One of the most awful things (apart from the abusive practices) about 50 Shades is .

And the way she tortures and abuses the English language...

 

[8den]

I find that what people say they find sexually exciting is very often different from what they actually do find sexually exciting. I find this to be true of men and women alike.

Essentially Phil is going to use any example of female sexuality that, ahem, deviates from his preconceived notions as merely the exception that proves his rules.

 

[Vintage Paw]

But surely you must accept that this attitude was not shared by the general public.

As you say, both the book and the film of Fifty Shades were remarkably successful, particularly among women.

I see no purchase in ignoring or denying that fact.

News just in, bimble isn't a member of the general public.

 

[phildwyer]

Book recommendation!
"Dataclysm: Who We Are When We Think No one's Looking', by Christian Rudder, a mathematician who designed OkCupid, one of the world's most popular dating sites and has access to all the data about what people really want as opposed to what they say they want.
I'm only halfway through but it's good, if depressing. Possibly even better than your second sight.

I'll check it out, thanks.

I suspect (perhaps like Rudder) that the internet is rapidly making it impossible, or at least implausible, for either gender to continue deceiving themselves about the amoral nature of human sexuality.

In fact the idea that sexual attraction should be based on morality is a very recent assumption, it only arises with Romanticism. In my opinion feminists ought to celebrate its decline, since it has mainly been used to deny the true nature of female sexuality.

 

[trabuquera]

"Women prefer lesbian porn to other types. Everyone knows it's true. Except you"

<shudders>

This is to the very words EXACTLY the argument I've heard from loads and loads of men wanting to pressure me (and other women I talked to about it) into watching porn with them when I/we women didn't want to. Awww look luv, I even got you some of the lesbian stuff. just to show what a sensitive erotic maaaaan I am. not reassuring, dwyer. Not reassuring at all. <pukes>

 

[Vintage Paw]

Yaoi.
Slash.
Fandom.
Fanfic.
AO3.

 

[bimble]

Essentially Phil is going to use any example of female sexuality that, ahem, deviates from his preconceived notions as merely the exception that proves his rules.

Yep it works every time. That's why I tried not to bring up the fact that I've got quite a bad crush at the moment on the security man at my local co-op shop, because you know, I'm just an outlier, real women fancy Trump, etc.

 

[phildwyer]

Well lets say the scenario of porn. Imagine a tv repairman or a plumber wanks to a porn movie about plumbers going round to fix a boiler and instead being fucked by a woman with huge tits who answers the door. I bet that if something like this looked as though it could happen during the course of their job (ie a scantly clad porn star looking woman answering the door when they came to fix the boiler) many men who found that fantasy a turn on would be a bit disturbed tbh.

Oh sure. They'd run screaming for the hills. Definitely.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Yep it works every time. That's why I tried not to bring up the fact that I've got quite a bad crush at the moment on the security man at my local co-op shop, because you know, I'm just an outlier, real women fancy Trump, etc.

We've already ascertained that you're not actually a member of the general public, so it doesn't matter what you do or do not like, your views and desires simply should not be counted.

 

[phildwyer]

I've got quite a bad crush at the moment on the security man at my local co-op shop

Does he wear a uniform?

The prosecution rests.

 

[frogwoman]

Many men not all men. Are you seriously saying that no tv repairman would be disturbed by it if one of their customers wanted to act out a porn scenario? That their reaction might be along the lines of what the hell is this crazy person doing?

Oh sure. They'd run screaming for the hills. Definitely.

 

[bimble]

AO3.

Not an easy website to find your way around / into but thanks.

 

[toggle]

go home, study, research... then come back next week and try again.

i'll have to.

cause i thought i'd dealt with all the issues i had about being a girl when i realised that i could still be a girl and not follow someone else's rulebook about what girls are (or are supposed to be)

 

[Rebelda]

We've already ascertained that you're not actually a member of the general public, so it doesn't matter what you do or do not like, your views and desires simply should not be counted.

Views of "women in general" not actually women's views shocker.

 

[toggle]

Essentially Phil is going to use any example of female sexuality that, ahem, deviates from his preconceived notions as merely the exception that proves his rules.

i think more to claim that we're either deliberately lying, or don't actually have a clue about ourselves

 

[Vintage Paw]

Not an easy website to find your way around / into but thanks.

See also the dark pit of desire that is livejournal, and fanfiction.net. AO3 is arguably the better of the 3 but your mileage may vary.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Pfft, why on earth would women talking about the kinds of things that women find attractive possibly be more important than a man who has decided what women find attractive.

ding! ding! ding!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

"Women prefer lesbian porn to other types. Everyone knows it's true. Except you"

<shudders>

This is to the very words EXACTLY the argument I've heard from loads and loads of men wanting to pressure me (and other women I talked to about it) into watching porn with them when I/we women didn't want to. Awww look luv, I even got you some of the lesbian stuff. just to show what a sensitive erotic maaaaan I am. not reassuring, dwyer. Not reassuring at all. <pukes>

Who all think they're "nice guys."

 

[laptop]

Many men not all men. Are you seriously saying that no tv repairman would be disturbed by it if one of their customers wanted to act out a porn scenario? That their reaction might be along the lines of what the hell is this crazy person doing?

Been there (computer repair not TV). Declined. Obvs not a member of the general public.

 

[bimble]

i think more to claim that we're either deliberately lying, or don't actually have a clue about ourselves

It looks to me like Phil is just repeating the views of Roosh etc with a flimsy little figleaf on top.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I don't know what's worse, tbh. At least with roosh and his godawful types you can see their bile quite clearly and combat it head on. But someone like dwyer, with his paternalistic brand of patriarchy and control, trying to convince women that he knows them best, and that they should defer to his description of what their desires really are... that's more pernicious.

Stamp it out.

 

[toggle]

It looks to me like Phil is just repeating the views of Roosh etc with a flimsy little figleaf on top.

what he's doing is putting in an early bid for urban's mansplainer of the year

 

[phildwyer]

ding! ding! ding!

I think hetrosexual men do have a better idea about what heterosexual women in general find sexually attractive than individual heterosexual women do.

I also think that heterosexual women know more about heterosexual male sexuality in general than individual heterosexual men do.

Stands to reason as far as I can see.