Roosh V, Pro-Rape Pick Up Artist, Announces Worldwide 'Tribal Meetings'

[Vintage Paw]

It is true. Women watch mainly lesbian porn. Why do you find this odd? Seems perfectly predictable to me.

Oh my god this is so spectacularly untrue I can't even begin to stop headdesking.

 

[Rebelda]

It's all in yer 'ed Phil.

 

[phildwyer]

Yes- physical beauty is a form of power, that's what I said. More so when the person knows how to use it as power. Not that I'm saying good looks are the only forms of power available to women or that men could be attracted to. Some women are very attractive because of a way they have about them, where more conventionally attractive women seem boring in comparison.

But power in itself is not enough to make a woman sexually attractive to (most) men. While power in itself is enough to make a man sexually attractive to (most) women.

 

[phildwyer]

It's all in yer 'ed Phil.

All sex is in the head really innit.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I haven't quite got to the end of the thread but I suggest Dwyer does a little research into slash and yaoi in particular, and frankly just anything to do with fandom in general, and then come back and talk about women and the sorts of things they find sexually attractive.

I wrote this before I got to the bit about porn.

It's like I'm fucking psychic or something.

 

[phildwyer]

If anything a lot of men run screaming for the hills as soon as some form of the "n" word looms after a shag or two has been had.

Nutter? Noddy? Noodle?

 

[bimble]

But power in itself is not enough to make a woman sexually attractive to (most) men. While power in itself is enough to make a man sexually attractive to (most) women.

Can't find the evidence now but one of my favourite things I learnt in my occasional researches around this stuff is this:
In the month or so following the cinematic release of 50 shades of grey, the number of porn- searches for the word 'domination' that women made dropped off drastically:

Is that because the film was about a woman being actually abused by an emotional retard with nothing attractive about him at all, even though he had a helicopter, so the whole thing was therefore repulsive and not remotely sexy? I think maybe yes.

 

[phildwyer]

Can't find the evidence now but one of my favourite things I learnt in my occasional researches around this stuff is this:
In the month or so following the cinematic release of 50 shades of grey, the number of porn- searches for the word 'domination' that women made dropped off drastically:

Is that because the film was about a woman being actually abused by an emotional retard with nothing attractive about him at all, even though he had a helicopter, so the whole thing was therefore repulsive to everyone who attempted to watch it? I think maybe yes.

I think no. I think a great many women enjoyed Fifty Shades of Grey.

 

[8den]

I think if nothing else we're getting tremendous insight into Phil's sexual proclivities.

 

[Vintage Paw]

One of the most awful things (apart from the abusive practices) about 50 Shades is that it assumes that very traditional, patriarchal power relationship is what women will uncritically be attracted to. And indeed, a lot of women enjoyed it, and of those it seems it was because they hadn't really been given an outlet for those desires before. But amongst women who have plenty of access to all sorts of sexual and romantic content (media, and the groups and communities that grow up around them) there were nothing but outspoken critics of the books/film and the type of dominance it was trying to sell.

In many ways, 50 Shades is very old fashioned and outdated.

 

[Rebelda]

All sex is in the head really innit.

Fnar.

 

[bimble]

I think no. I think a great many women enjoyed Fifty Shades of Grey.

Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up but I do think the phenomenon that was that book is.. interesting.
It makes you look like you've got a point (Mr grey having all those helicopters etc) so I kind of wish I hadn't mentioned it at all.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I'm still waiting for the recognition of and discussion around slash, yaoi, and fandom in general.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up but I do think the phenomenon that was that book is.. interesting.
It makes you look like you've got a point (Mr grey having all those helicopters etc) so I kind of wish I hadn't mentioned it at all.

No, he hasn't got a point (see my post).

 

[Rebelda]

To be fair, I suspect a lot of men have never felt the need to be needed by women in the first place. I reckon it's just something that's said about us (men) as if it's a majority truth and accepted because Patriarchy, therefore proof. If anything a lot of men run screaming for the hills as soon as some form of the "n" word looms after a shag or two has been had.

I think you need to take out all the 'men' from this and replace it with 'people' and then it will be perfectly true.

 

[toggle]

Oh my god this is so spectacularly untrue I can't even begin to stop headdesking.

well, after reading all this stuff about what kind of sexuality women have, I've realised the one fundamental problem in my life. i'm clearly not a woman.

 

[Rebelda]

I'm still waiting for the recognition of and discussion around slash, yaoi, and fandom in general.

Oh no no, Phil doesn't reply if you make a point that doesn't fit what he's decided is true.

 

[camouflage]

I think you need to take out all the 'men' from this and replace it with 'people' and then it will be perfectly true.

Well it was said in response to a comment about men, but I agree.

 

[bimble]

No, he hasn't got a point (see my post).

You're right of course in what you say about the old-fashionedness of the book and the unanimous disgust / mockery it engendered amongst women .. like me. But still, it was the bestselling book since the bible or harry potter or something, wasn't it? Translated into 52 languages etc.

 

[camouflage]

well, after reading all this stuff about what kind of sexuality women have, I've realised the one fundamental problem in my life. i'm clearly not a woman.

go home, study, research... then come back next week and try again.

 

[Vintage Paw]

You could probably start by doing a cursory scan of somewhere like AO3 for the types of fiction women are writing for themselves. That's women, deciding what they, as women, want to read about, as women. The majority of it is romantic and sexual fiction. There are no industry gatekeepers deciding what gets onto the shelves skewing results. This is a place where women feel very comfortable and amongst other likeminded people, arguably as free as they can be from outside societal pressures and norms. I wonder what kinds of things they like?

 

[keybored]

Anybody who can raise a single eyebrow whilst the other one stays in place, that person has sex appeal / power.

editor has that .gif

 

[sim667]

It's true because it's true. Women prefer lesbian porn to other types. Everyone knows it's true. Except, apparently, you.

Judging by the other posts, evidently not

 

[phildwyer]

Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up but I do think the phenomenon that was that book is.. interesting.
It makes you look like you've got a point (Mr grey having all those helicopters etc) so I kind of wish I hadn't mentioned it at all.

Too late now.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. So women get turned on by Fifty Shades, what's the biggie? The problem only arises when people like Roosh say "bad women, you must only get turned on by what we men find it within our capacities to be."

 

[Vintage Paw]

Too late now.

Anyway, I don't see the problem. So women get turned on by Fifty Shades, what's the biggie? The problem only arises when people like Roosh say "bad women, you must only get turned on by what we men find it within our capacities to be."

It's also a problem when people say this is the only thing women get turned on by. Or that it is the main thing that women get turned on by. Or that women are somehow predisposed to get turned on by that to the exclusion of other things.

Because that is untrue, and that is harmful.

 

[phildwyer]

You're right of course in what you say about the old-fashionedness of the book and the unanimous disgust / mockery it engendered amongst women .. like me.

Unanimous among women like you.

So not really unanimous at all then.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Judging by the other posts, evidently not

Pfft, why on earth would women talking about the kinds of things that women find attractive possibly be more important than a man who has decided what women find attractive.

 

[bimble]

Unanimous among women like you.

So not really unanimous at all then.

i was trying to paraphrase Paw's "amongst women who have plenty of access to all sorts of sexual and romantic content (media, and the groups and communities that grow up around them) there were nothing but outspoken critics of the books/film and the type of dominance it was trying to sell. "

 

[Vintage Paw]

I suggest you fuck off dwyer, because for a start you can't seem to understand what the fucking problem is with telling women they're wrong about what they find attractive. You're telling women you know more about women than women know about women. You're telling women you know more about what gets them wet than they experience when they actually, you know, get wet.

Fuck off.

 

[frogwoman]

Im sure there are also plenty of women who like the idea of being forcibly fucked over a desk by a rich CEO if they read about it in a book but would be horrified and scared if it looked remotely like happening to them in real life.