Rochdale by-election
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Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
A general election is not a by-election
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
Can't believe it's Simon's first death threat, he must have whole folders full of them.
lazythursday
Averagely-Known Member
It's not but I think this has now turned into a three way fight between Galloway, the Independent and Labour. No longer a safe seat.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Labour’s vote went down 46% last night due to there being no Labour candidate. In a GE that’s not going to be fought on Gaza but on the economy, NHS, Education etc - and where Labour will pour resources in to the seat - the indie and Galloway will be irrelevant
teqniq
DisMembered
Oops thank you. Labour came 4th not 3rd blimey lol. Corrected my post.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
There are surely some angry mums and dads who must have had words regarding Simon's texting antics. Seedy little fucker
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I don't think many will have voted for him on his record as an MP or his self modesty to be honest. There must be some other reason why they did.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Lol. One last nicked by election for gorgeous before retirement eh. Deary me.
Starmer didn't put up a candidate. Pointless stats there.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Starmer is leader, though. If Corbyn was still leader Labour would have won last night. I can't prove that but it seems most likely.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
Under his leadership, it happened. An engineered candidate selection, a muddled campaign, mixed messages on Gaza.
Galloway is really quite a fascinating character and also makes me feel quite hopeless about the prospect of positive political change.
The man has a clear talent for oratory and also a certain political nous, at least in identifying divisions that he can exploit. Don't think that there is any other figure who has been elected as an independent/minor party MP in 3 different constituencies.
But yet it is, like Trump, his narcissism which enables his successes - a certain shamelessness and machiavellianism. The humility of minor left groups like TUSC or whatever seem to be what prevents then from effective campaigning, even as Galloway has demonstrated repeatedly that it can be done.
The man has a clear talent for oratory and also a certain political nous, at least in identifying divisions that he can exploit. Don't think that there is any other figure who has been elected as an independent/minor party MP in 3 different constituencies.
But yet it is, like Trump, his narcissism which enables his successes - a certain shamelessness and machiavellianism. The humility of minor left groups like TUSC or whatever seem to be what prevents then from effective campaigning, even as Galloway has demonstrated repeatedly that it can be done.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I actually think it was the clarity of Starmer's messaging on Gaza which helped get Galloway elected.
Starmer told his voters to stay at home. Those stats are irrelevant.
PR1Berske
Alligator in chains by the park gates.
When Rochdale is fought at the general what do you want, a blank space where the byelection didn't happen?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Starmer told his voters that Israel had a right to cut off water , utilities and food to Gaza.
Don't get me wrong. Starmer's stance on Gaza is disgraceful. But the fact is there was effectively no Labour candidate so it's pointless comparing his results to previous leaders.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
JFF = "just for fun"; just saying.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
The whole debacle was caused by Starmer putting up a candidate.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
it wasn't an 'engineered candidate selection' - Ali wasn't the main Starmerite candidate.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
In fact, those who voted Labour this time could arguably be said not to be supporting Labour, since the official Labour position was not to vote!
It’s a fucking mess.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Was that actually an official party position; I'd heard Nandy say as much but did the party explicitly say that?
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
That’s what I’ve heard. I’m not in Rochdale but, Labour withdrawing support for their candidate means a vote for that candidate is not a vote for Labour.
It simply makes nonsense of the stats.
Instead, shall we claim that the majority of Rochdale electors that didn’t vote at all, are Labour supporters? That would also be nonsense.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The 'strong brand of the Labour Party logo' = 8%
nb: The phrase ' strong brand of the Labour Party logo' is under copyright to Labour List
nb: The phrase ' strong brand of the Labour Party logo' is under copyright to Labour List
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Already Labour faithful on Twitter saying just that.
cupid_stunt
Merry fecking Christmas.
It was more than just Nandy, I heard at least 3 or 4 Labour politicians say it during the morning media rounds, so it must have been official messengering.
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