Remainers: When are you taking to the streets?

[YouSir]

I don't think the march mattered tbh. They rarely do and this one less than most. At least I find it hard to believe that any meaningful front is going to emerge from it, be it anti-racist, pro EU or politically alternative. Tim Farron and Bob Geldof make good symbols for it - feel good, immediate and easily forgotten.

That said I'm not sure why people are so arsey about it. Some in attendance are no doubt tossers who feel wiser or more profound about the issues than their 'inferiors'. Others are doing it earnestly and with good intent. Both groups existed yesterday and will tomorrow, means nothing if they do pointless things.

Best I'd hope for is that a few more people become aware of how little they matter and start looking for the real power and influence. As I say though, doubt the issue will grip most for long enough.

Why waste anger on it? Plenty who deserve it more.

 

[coley]

Bit pointless trying to have a sensible discussion with someone who can only see the world in such ridiculous black/white, chip-on-the-shoulder stereotypes. Oh well. Enjoy slagging off all those people you know nothing about, But you've seen the photos, right?

Sorry, you may be getting confused, its Coley from Northumberland, not Sturgeon from Scotland
Still only slightly above average photos though

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Like any socialist/communist I'm utterly opposed to liberalism. That doesn't mean that I won't work with liberals on a tactical level but any sort of progressive mash up can fuck right off, it's simply (yet another) attack on labour.

Good luck (you'll need it).

 

[redsquirrel]

Best I'd hope for is that a few more people become aware of how little they matter and start looking for the real power and influence. As I say though, doubt the issue will grip most for long enough.

I think there willl be far more that end up getting mugged by the LibDems again. And that's why I think it was at best very silly and at worst indicative of the type of thing that some of us are going to have to fight in the future.

Butchers said it better than me

It's, in fact, become increasingly clear that any substantial social change to the benefit of the working classes across europe and wider is going to have to carried out against the progressives. Not the sort of civil rights stuff that capitalism can deal with and recuperate, the nice stuff, i mean the real social relation challenging stuff.

 

[Casually Red]

I don't think the march mattered tbh. They rarely do and this one less than most. At least I find it hard to believe that any meaningful front is going to emerge from it, be it anti-racist, pro EU or politically alternative. Tim Farron and Bob Geldof make good symbols for it - feel good, immediate and easily forgotten.

That said I'm not sure why people are so arsey about it. Some in attendance are no doubt tossers who feel wiser or more profound about the issues than their 'inferiors'. Others are doing it earnestly and with good intent. Both groups existed yesterday and will tomorrow, means nothing if they do pointless things.

Best I'd hope for is that a few more people become aware of how little they matter and start looking for the real power and influence. As I say though, doubt the issue will grip most for long enough.

Why waste anger on it? Plenty who deserve it more.

part of me wishes Britain really had become a proper little England, no forriners type of place just so they'd fuck geldof out ...just to see his stupid face . But then he'd be back over here...and there'd be a look on my face . You're welcome to the cunt. Honestly .

he's never made me feel good and i really fail to see the feel good factor in Thatchers favourite charity campaigner. He's a low down rotten bastard of the worst kind. Only surpassed in his clown for the elites field by bono.

 

[Anju]

Aye, remember the 'Jarrow march' got a lot of support from your lot, didn't it? Expect a similar level of support for your ' march' from today's ' disenfranchised'

You are older than I thought. Probably a bit too old for a diving course in Thailand. I'd stick to some aqua aerobics in your local pool. Were you a kid when you went on the Jarrow march?

 

[Anju]

Yeah, not cheering on a party in coalition government for five years during which they taxed the poor to support the rich, raised tuition fees to £9000, ramped the privatisation of the education sector up a gear, etc is being ideologically pure.

Not cheering on a neo-liberal institution forcing millions of people into poverty throughout Europe, paying developing countries to set up camps for immigrants is being ideologically pure.

Maybe it's just called having some fucking politics and not being a wet liberal cunt.

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

 

[Casually Red]

You are older than I thought. Probably a bit too old for a diving course in Thailand. I'd stick to some aqua aerobics in your local pool. Were you a kid when you went on the Jarrow march?

That man was living in a shoebox eating cold gravel at the bottom of a lake when oliver cromwell was in short trousers. you soft southern hipster fop.

 

[Casually Red]

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

what similarities ? last time i checked a fanny on this side of the atlantic was different to over there.

 

[Casually Red]

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

because the liberals are cunts

 

[Anju]

what similarities ? last time i checked a fanny on this side of the atlantic was different to over there.

Not sure anyone says fanny on this UK . So many better options.

 

[Casually Red]

i do..and occasionally minge.

eta

mind you coley probably calls it a " tuppence " or something.

 

[Anju]

because the liberals are cunts

Is that not a view only those with extremist beliefs would have. Not really sure respecting other people and being open to agreeing with them is necessarily a cuntish thing.

 

[Anju]

i do..and occasionally minge.

eta

mind you coley probably calls it a " tuppence " or something.

I always found it safest to try and see what the lady likes it to be called.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

The use of the word liberal as an insult by some on the left was going on long before the American right wing began using it. They are also two different meanings of that word, or at least there are different connotations when a leftwinger employs the term.

When a liberal is abused, he says, ‘Thank God they didn’t beat me.’ When he is beaten, he thanks God they didn’t kill him. When he is killed, he will thank God that his immortal soul has been delivered from its mortal clay

Eta: which sounds remarkably similar to some the arguments for the EU as a protector of workers' rights. 'Thank God the EU didn't beat me'

 

[Casually Red]

Is that not a view only those with extremist beliefs would have. Not really sure respecting other people and being open to agreeing with them is necessarily a cuntish thing.

the clintons and blairs are both liberals. Quite the death toll they've racked up . Tolerance.. the thing that stops wars and hatreds..is the ability to put up with things you disagree with or find irksome. Not agreement with them . Liberals simply do not agree with people who disagree with them. They claim innate moral superiority, the right to be the worlds arbiters and policemen. Exceptionalism even, on the basis they are on the side of the angels and anyone who isn't needs sorting out . Total moral superiority . On the one hand this means people who vote the wrong way can have their votes legitimately overturned according to liberal mores and hypocrisy . And on the other they can be bombed, droned, couped or invaded. Or just demonised. By liberals.

from what i can see many liberals are extremists. Liberals voted for the iRAQ WAR. The libyan debacle. The syrian debacle. The yugoslav debacle. Bernard Henri Levy Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton...all liberals. All warmongering cunts. All extremists. Convinced of their liberal righteousness.

 

[Casually Red]

The use of the word liberal as an insult by some on the left was going on long before the American right wing began using it. They are also two different meanings of that word, or at least there are different connotations when a leftwinger employs the term.



Eta: which sounds remarkably similar to some the arguments for the EU as a protector of workers' rights. 'Thank God the EU didn't beat me'

the EU was only ever a rich mans club. A club of the colonialist and imperialist elites. When faced with a threat from the left ..namely the communists...they chucked around enhanced workers rights and the likes out of self preservation. As a bribe. Now they're no longer faced with that threat ,austerity and increased neo liberalism is the order of the day right across the board . Why are any leftists clinging to this edifice when austerity, food banks, privatisation, and ttips are the order of the day . ZERO hour contracts..foodbanks...what fucking workers rights ? its only ever been a contract not to have socialism. There were concessions..but with an unaccountable bearaucracy ruling over everything... whats given yesterday can be taken away and theres fuck all you can do about it. It tramples over entire countries. It wants to a be a superstate. its just rotten from start to finish, top to bottom. Its about elites and nothing else. The privilege of capital. It will steamroller the fuck right over you if your weak..proven time and time again. It can fuck off. that and the liberal horse it rode in on .

 

[redsquirrel]

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

I'm not using liberal as just an insult, I'm also using it as a descriptor of people's politics

 

[Pickman's model]

Why are we now using liberal as an insult as they do in America. I see a lot of similarities between ideological zealots here and rhe NRA in the states.

Sadly we don't have guns. Or ready access to politicians.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm still working out my take on it.

Perhaps a trip back to the Valleys to see why they voted in a way that upset all the advertising PRs, business consultants and other worthies who got off their arses yesterday in the hope of defeating democracy might help you work out your take on it?

 

[brogdale]

Secret Cinema/Fabien Riggall (unless i'm missing the point & it was a loaded, rhetorical question)

No loading...and thanks...I was struggling to see where the organisation was coming from, (I'm not on FB).
So...who or what are these folks, then? Are they of 'the left'?

 

[ska invita]

Don't act dim, 'your lot' being the same smug well heeled London/ SE metropolitan elite of the 20s/30s, something's never change. Mind you, that might not be true these days, if the ME elite are thwarted in getting the referendum overturned, might even visit lunnern just to hear the outraged screams

Can we please stop this Pure Northern Class Consciousness vs London Liberal Smun Cunts FC delineation. It couldn't be more stupid.
First of all 40% of Londoners voted Leave - millions of people. Then you have to make up a story in your head about who the people are on both sides of the vote and what their intentions are. The fact that many of the leave voters were well healed folk living in the home county bordering boroughs is just one of many complexities to this.

For a board thats meant to care about politics its really backwards. The referendum is complex and full of contradictions upon contradictions - so much discussion already but it seems the lesson drawn my some is Londoners are cunts Northerners are mint.

London is a cosmopolitan, multicultural city. Just us many Leave voters didnt really care about the EU but voted to kick the establishment, so many of those London remain voters didnt really vote about the EU but voted for Europe and their European friends and neighbours in it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Join me in taking to the streets as I go for a pub lunch

 

[Treacle Toes]

Don't act dim, 'your lot' being the same smug well heeled London/ SE metropolitan elite of the 20s/30s, something's never change. Mind you, that might not be true these days, if the ME elite are thwarted in getting the referendum overturned, might even visit lunnern just to hear the outraged screams

By 'your lot' do you mean anyone on that march or just remain voter in general? 20/30s somethings? Do you know how old Ed is?

When is the last time you visited London? When you came here where did you go? What do you know about working class people here? What do you know about deprived parts of London? How do you account for the 40% of Londoners that voted leave?

 

[butchersapron]

Can anyone confirm what i read elsewhere that there were no labour movement banners and that there was a demand that Corbyn resign made from the platform, and if so, who made it?

 

[editor]

Perhaps a trip back to the Valleys to see why they voted in a way that upset all the advertising PRs, business consultants and other worthies who got off their arses yesterday in the hope of defeating democracy might help you work out your take on it?

Perhaps I'm already fully aware of those circumstances, but thanks for the patronising tip.

 

[editor]

Leeds, yesterday:

‘Mama, will you be deported?’: Brexit vote triggers eruption of racism

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Perhaps I'm already fully aware of those circumstances, but thanks for the patronising tip.

You're welcome.


So knowing why the majority voted leave, you still think it is a good thing the marches take place with the aim of overturning the result?

Even Blair has piped up today, saying the unwashed masses got it wrong and should have another go at it. Talk about lie with dogs...

 

[brogdale]

Can anyone confirm what i read elsewhere that there were no labour movement banners and that there was a demand that Corbyn resign made from the platform, and if so, who made it?

Cant' confirm (as wasn't there) but 'Secret Cinema''s (who the fuck?) twitter feed claimed that London MPs David Lammy & Katherine West addressed the Parliament Sq. rally.

 

[editor]

You're welcome.


So knowing why the majority voted leave, you still think it is a good thing the marches take place with the aim of overturning the result?

Even Blair has piped up today, saying the unwashed masses got it wrong and should have another go at it. Talk about lie with dogs...

You've never been in a protest representing a minority belief? If people have beef with how the referendum was run - or any other part of the process, or what's happened since - why the fuck shouldn't they get out on the streets and express it? Or do you think they should just hush now and leave pledge-shifting politicians and right wing media to get on with, it while racism grows like a filthy cancer?

Oh, I couldn't give a fuck what Blair thinks. Not sure why you do.