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Why does he have to isolate if it's a case in another class?
What purenarcotic said. A week ago I wrote to their head asking him to reconsider their system as every week they are sending year groups home, 90 kids at a time, when my secondary only sends home close contacts.
And to add insult to injury, if you have a sibling in another year group they still get to go. So it just seems pointless.
His answer was that he hasn't the staff to run class bubbles.
Gov need to put extra staff into school.
 
I see. My kids schools both do class bubbles rather than year groups. They eat lunch in their classrooms and have coned off areas in the playground for each class - it does mean break time isn't super exciting at the moment as they haven't got much space and can't play football or anything but they seem to be managing.
 
I see. My kids schools both do class bubbles rather than year groups. They eat lunch in their classrooms and have coned off areas in the playground for each class - it does mean break time isn't super exciting at the moment as they haven't got much space and can't play football or anything but they seem to be managing.
I don't fully understand why they don't have enough staff for this but I have to assume it's so as that's what he's said.
 
I don't fully understand why they don't have enough staff for this but I have to assume it's so as that's what he's said.
It's probably more a decision about how you run things with the staff you have. The school I am governor of are being very strict with the class bubbles but it does mean we have had to lose some of the "extra" stuff that was run across a whole year or between years - so there's no wraparound care at the moment, no extracurricular clubs, phonics & intervention groups are just within classes now rather than across years/phase, and the nurture group which used to be children from several classes is now running for a class per term. Whereas if we called a year group or key stage a "bubble" you could still do lots of that stuff.
 
Because the virus infects teachers or they have to self-isolate.
I know as I am a teacher. However each teacher has a class so if one class goes into isolation so does the teacher. So in theory there should be enough teachers. Why there isn't is because of online teaching and things like first aid/health and safety etc. I'm not denying what he's said, just think that if we're going to keep schools open and pretend they are functioning then there should be extra staff put in by the government.
 
It's probably more a decision about how you run things with the staff you have. The school I am governor of are being very strict with the class bubbles but it does mean we have had to lose some of the "extra" stuff that was run across a whole year or between years - so there's no wraparound care at the moment, no extracurricular clubs, phonics & intervention groups are just within classes now rather than across years/phase, and the nurture group which used to be children from several classes is now running for a class per term. Whereas if we called a year group or key stage a "bubble" you could still do lots of that stuff.
I do feel he could have found a way. They are a large school with a not insonsiderable staff. But this seems to be how many primaries are running things. At my secondary school we have all taken on extra duties to keep things running.
 
I do feel he could have found a way. They are a large school with a not insonsiderable staff. But this seems to be how many primaries are running things. At my secondary school we have all taken on extra duties to keep things running.
Is it part of a chain? I guess it's a decision between offering less but making it less likely covid will spread/years will close or offering more but risking more infections/closures. Those decisions were made at academy trust level rather than by individual schools for us though so we weren't taking that responsibility!
 
There are a couple of (small) primaries near me that have just said they have two bubbles, infants and juniors, and have essentially carried on as normal within that - no staggered start times etc But it does mean one of them has the entire infants home isolating at the moment.
 
Is it part of a chain? I guess it's a decision between offering less but making it less likely covid will spread/years will close or offering more but risking more infections/closures. Those decisions were made at academy trust level rather than by individual schools for us though so we weren't taking that responsibility!
No, not a chain nor an academy. Staggered times happening but otherwise pretty much seems normal. Wraparound care still running, year groups segregated but as everyone knows, there are many siblings across year groups.
 
It’s a hard one, I don’t really know which model is best. For me personally it’s much better that they are really strict but are more likely to keep the school open as if mine are off isolating I can’t work and won’t get paid.
But then if I had a child who really needed to be in intervention groups or nurture and that wasn’t happening, I’d probably be wishing they would relax things a bit and take the risk.
Also I don’t need wraparound care - if that was important for me to work then I’d be stuck if they kept to class bubbles.
 
And of course that’s without even considering the risk of actually getting covid if your child/family is vulnerable.
 
Government funding extra staff in schools would help. Right now they're just pretending kids are getting an education. England have not even cancelled exams like the rest of the UK.
 
And to make things worse, the pile up will be mostly tons and tons of access work for exams that no other UK country will be sitting.

... and we might not either, or at least not all of them - potentially core subjects only. Certainly it's an option being explored by Amanda Spieleman and The Recovery Committee.

Of course that decision will be made last minute like all others so not much help to you or I.
 
... and we might not either, or at least not all of them - potentially core subjects only. Certainly it's an option being explored by Amanda Spieleman and The Recovery Committee.

Of course that decision will be made last minute like all others so not much help to you or I.
My workload for access will stay the same if any exams so makes no difference to.me if it's just the core.
 
I've no idea how they're justifying exams in any subject with so many children up and down the country missing days of school.
 
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I've no idea how they're justifying exams in any subject with so many children up and down the country missing days of school.

Well the knock on from that would be that non-core classes get cancelled at the earliest available opportunity (and you know how ready some schools are to do that anyway) to make way for intensive maths/English/science lessons whilst the rest of us fight over remaining lunchtime/after school/weekends to teach our 2nd class subjects. At least in many schools that's likely to be the case.
 
Well the knock on from that would be that non-core classes get cancelled at the earliest available opportunity (and you know how ready some schools are to do that anyway) to make way for intensive maths/English/science lessons whilst the rest of us fight over remaining lunchtime/after school/weekends to teach our 2nd class subjects. At least in many schools that's likely to be the case.
It's all infuriating x
 
Cases ramping up again where we are. We shifted to fixed seating plans before half term so with the form group bubbles we're able to send only close contacts home and not whole year groups.

We still have 60 kids off overall, numbers which have been increasing day by day since half term. A local school has closed for two weeks due to case numbers in the staff and students. Feeling very lucky, comparatively. We had a dreadful start to the year which I think has spurred people in school to keep up with social distancing etc.

It is cold though with windows open. I don't want to think about what is going to be like in January when the really cold weather starts. It's barely tolerable now and I think it's an unseasonably warm November tbh.
 
We've been very lucky in my school. Very few sent home at all so far. It's practically impossible for teachers to be sent home unless we or a household member has a positive diagnosis. It's bloody cold though.

My kids' school, only nursery, reception and year 4 haven't been sent home so far. My eldest, year 6, is isolating now for two weeks. My youngest (year 4) is going in, for now.

It's dragging on now.
 
We've been very lucky in my school. Very few sent home at all so far. It's practically impossible for teachers to be sent home unless we or a household member has a positive diagnosis. It's bloody cold though.

My kids' school, only nursery, reception and year 4 haven't been sent home so far. My eldest, year 6, is isolating now for two weeks. My youngest (year 4) is going in, for now.

It's dragging on now.
Reception are out too now for the next two weeks.
 
BB2’s year can go back to school on Tuesday, BB1 was sent home from college on Friday and told to isolate for 12 days (infected person was last in on Wednesday it seems). It just feels never ending right now, and we’re very lucky that this doesn’t impact mine or Frau Bahn’s work.
 
There weren't enough staff to begin with.
As Thora said, there is some case for redeploying people, the NHS and LEAs are certainly doing it. I don't think my son's school didn't have enough staff to begin with. There is a class teacher for every class, a big bank of TAs (it's a large school), at least 2 coaches on the permanent staff, at least 3 learning mentors on the permanent staff, apart from the Head and Deputy there are at least 4 Senior Leadership staff who are non teaching, 2 non teaching SENCos, a librarian and that's the additional staff I know of.
The positive tests lately have all been children. But as I said, if he says he can't, then he can't.
 
Gov need to put extra staff into school.

Again, these extra staff don't really exist. I'm starting my first PGCE placement next week and I fully expect to be on covid marshall duties the whole time and doing fuck all actual teaching, still less learning anything myself.

Anecdotally teachers are already doing jobs like bus dispatching that they don't have time to do and aren't paid for.
 
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