Thora
Differently Ethical
Then your issue is with the government not some individual school/teacher.
Re-opening Schools?
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
There's been loads of stuff published about the change in recognised symptoms in kids - but the guidance is still the same -
COVID-19 symptoms and what to do
Find out about the symptoms of COVID-19, what to do if you or your child has them and when to get medical help.
www.nhs.uk
No idea if a test is suggested if you call in for a child with the more likely symptoms now - but, following published guidance, you wouldn't do that anyway. That's also the guidance schools are following.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
I can't find any overall consistent guidance given to schools. They've been left to react on the hoof. And seem to vary in their reactions. Not sure who makes decisions for each school. But if they've got any individual power to decide how they react ( which they must have ), I'd be more confident if they followed science. Waiting for govt advice has put them in a precarious position. Teaching staff and parents are being used as diagnostic tools.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
In the schools and colleges I work in masks are compulsory in corridors and communal spaces and I've yet to see anyone breaking the rules tbf.
We've been given bigger rooms to counsel in too which is nice. I'm adapting to it and accepted my new cleaning role between clients.
My youngest is hating being stuck in the same class all day, especially as he shares it with a right dickhead bully boy. So his morale is low already bless him. He's fallen asleep before dinner time each day once he's home.
I've counselled a few people now who wore masks and its very odd indeed, but not impossible...some nuance and rapport is lost though imo.
We've been given bigger rooms to counsel in too which is nice. I'm adapting to it and accepted my new cleaning role between clients.
My youngest is hating being stuck in the same class all day, especially as he shares it with a right dickhead bully boy. So his morale is low already bless him. He's fallen asleep before dinner time each day once he's home.
I've counselled a few people now who wore masks and its very odd indeed, but not impossible...some nuance and rapport is lost though imo.
Thora
Differently Ethical
Seriously? You think busy teachers/schools (who are already working weekends and evenings as above) should ignore the guidance they get from the DfE, ignore the symptoms from the NHS, ignore the flowcharts the local authority and public health are sending them and read the BMJ to come up with their own guidance
clicker
nanook rubs it....
Possibly one member of staff to read the BMJ updates weekly relating to schools...would honestly take 15 minutes. If, as last week, new symptons were added, then put them in the school newsletter.Seriously? You think busy teachers/schools (who are already working weekends and evenings as above) should ignore the guidance they get from the DfE, ignore the symptoms from the NHS, ignore the flowcharts the local authority and public health are sending them and read the BMJ to come up with their own guidance
It really wouldn't be a huge time consuming ,ongoing mess of changing advice. It'd just be letting parents/carers know what to look for from the start . There appears understandably to be confusion over what may or not be a symptom, which could lead to uninformed decisions. If the school doesn't think the BMJ published article is credible then they can ignore it .
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Afaik, guidance comes from la's and governors (what they have all been shovelling together while they've been trying to meet what is pretty much a legal obligation to open, with limited funding or guidance for that, throughout) but when you have a case, it's straight to PHE.
I KNOW my school has fuck all idea of what would happen even in the area I work- that is evolving- because they've had to be so focused on provision for learning, with no guidance, and then adapting the premises, with no proper budget for it.
I sound like I think the business management at my school is all great and I'm right behind them - I'm not - my workplace has been dreadful, for years, purely down to shit middle managers and a massive turnover in higher management, who come in and imagine they can turn it around and then realise they can't, cos there's no money, so make it more and more miserable for the rest of us while they try... but I do understand that THIS is different. No one has any fucking idea what they're doing now - and I'm not sure how much blame can be laid at any individual's feet there. Doesn't mean that I don't also agree that staff and parents and kids are being tested though. It's all pretty shit.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
That really ignores how much schools can afford to take any short term decisons like that though, without any specific direction to do so - they're pretty much held to ransom, already.
clicker
nanook rubs it....
Agree with all of that. I just think we are still at the raised temperature and continuous cough stage. I can't see the harm in letting people know it's changed.
baldrick
hmmmmm
If you have schools going off piste with guidance you'll have challenge from parents, governors etc. It will take way more than 15 minutes a day responding to all that. It's so much simpler to tell parents to read the government guidance. Schools aren't medical experts and shouldn't be giving advice. At the end of the day it's up to parents how they respond to potential covid symptoms. If the school is telling them something different to what they see elsewhere that's going to be really confusing. Schools have to be trusted by parents, especially now.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
I promise I don't disagree - all I can see is trouble ahead and money being flung in all the wrong directions in the meantime - and a continuing refusal to pay heed to health, above all (and/or the impact of ignoring that, on the economy, and education).
It's JUST that it's too much to expect schools to navigate the way through it, that it's really confusing to know what's right to do - and that that is down to a lack of guidance from the gov, while ALL they have done is slung dates that must be met for schools to open, a whole series of ever changing, last minute rules and more recently, all the stuff about spread being caused by young people - which will undoubtedly fall back to them again, to take responsibility for. Y'know, it's not for schools to suggest adherence to more recent medical studies - but it doesn't follow that those shouldn't be pursued, really fucking vigorously.
wtfftw
melting like a toastie
(testing access problems aside) can you even get a test for all the other symptoms or is it restricted to temp/cough/taste and or smell?
Because from what I see, you could remove your child but all the other parties aren't quarantined until a positive test. So what's the fucking point?
Because from what I see, you could remove your child but all the other parties aren't quarantined until a positive test. So what's the fucking point?
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
There would be more of a point if testing was working and turning around quickly. As you say, less point when it's not.
In that case, you can only guess at any symptoms you have yourself and take it from there - but so it has a huge impact, in all sorts or ways, when you're having to make your own decisions, too.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
I imagine loads of any push back would be around being used to being in workplaces where taking time off sick was already traditionally frowned upon (pretty much every workplace), let alone when you have to do it to look after children.
There's the impact on pay and also a far greater burden on women, generally, if/when that happens, too.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
There's bound to be a serious undercount, not least because it's currently impossible to get a test in the 'hotspot' areas of Greater Manc, Lancs and Yorks.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Story here about a private contractor who just didn't turn up to do mobile testing (Bolton):
Covid test nightmare as no-show leaves 'a car park full of sick people'
"It was shocking. People were there with babies and there was a car park full of sick people."
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Rochdale has cases in 10 schools, or perhaps pupils with covid who go to 10 different schools (or some mix of the 2). My mum taught at 2 of them.
www.mirror.co.uk
Full list of schools with coronavirus outbreaks - see if yours is affected
Geoff Barton, general secretary of the Association of School and College Leaders, has warned that more and more schools will shut as the winter closes in and cases rise
www.mirror.co.uk
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
I suppose the key question is whether it is spreading in schools. Do we know that yet, particularly as the testing regime is currently omnifucked?
Fresher's week next week in some places, so there's a real chance of 2 distinct spreading patterns within some towns and cities, spreads within the school age and their families/communities along with concentrations in student accommodation with the potential to taken back to their home towns. That's all very tentative and has plenty of ifs and buts, but none of the trends are looking good (in terms of infections as least. Hospitalisation still much lower). Grim. Again.
Fresher's week next week in some places, so there's a real chance of 2 distinct spreading patterns within some towns and cities, spreads within the school age and their families/communities along with concentrations in student accommodation with the potential to taken back to their home towns. That's all very tentative and has plenty of ifs and buts, but none of the trends are looking good (in terms of infections as least. Hospitalisation still much lower). Grim. Again.
#worldbeating
Yes this is a really important question. Is the situation in the schools just reflecting the population as a whole or is there active spread in schools?
At the start of the pandemic there were quite a few voices saying that children don't get the virus. More recently this has shifted to there being a very low chance of children passing the virus on. If the virus does spread among children the say way as it does adults then I really don't know where we go from here. Its vitally important for so many reasons for children to be able to attend school.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Its just bullshit designed to provide cover for their economic and education priorities.
Double-think on the subject is never far away either. Because its freely acknowledged that when schools go back then viruses are passed around a lot. But we are invited to believe that this coronavirus will somehow be different, even though a proportion of the colds they talk about spreading in schools are caused by other coronaviruses.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Colds and sniffles are definitely spreading within schools right now.
Is there any reason why Covid wouldn't follow suit?
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