Nice elision of children and teachers there.
Re-opening Schools?
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Nice elision of children and teachers there.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I said I wasn't talking to any posters, only the topic.
But you're saying it's fine for rich children to stay off while state children go back?
Indeliblelink
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Maybe they should of spent more time at school.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I said I wasn't talking to any posters, only the topic.
But you're saying it's fine for rich children to stay off while state children go back?
Rich children are the least likely to be harmed by missing some school.
But I’m mindful of what xenon was saying earlier. Maybe it’s not the right time.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I'm mindful of what I said, opening the schools is an insane (and malicious) concept. It's based on malice.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
You don’t think maybe people with knowledge of stuff like education should have any input?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Your reasoning?
Treacle Toes
Time
Everyone wants kids to be able to go back to school.
Teachers want to go back to schools to be able to do their jobs also.
It clearly isn't merely a case of teachers not attending school that is the issue here.
Nearly all the parents I know are not willing to send their kids back to school now. Some are keyw orkers but will pull their kids out now if others return before certain measures are in place.
Most teachers haven't stopped working, either whether at school or from home. None I know have had a break.
The minimising of their concerns, the concerns of parents etc is really shitty. I'm not convinced by this 'think of the children' argument in the slightest because it willfully ignores context which makes it shallow. as fuck.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
a) Kids, grandkids, the concept of the behaviours required by these entities and their inability to conform to those vital requirements for a period of longer than 11 minutes.
b) The gambling with the lives of them, their families, the teachers, the teacher's families and anyone who has to be in contact with any of them.
c) Basically...we're in lockdown. There's no reasonable argument for breaking lockdown so early without any demonstrable examples to show the positives. There are none. And the rich kids aren't doing it.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think it can be easy to ascribe malice where there is simple incompetence involved.
The Government have shown themselves to be a near infinite wellspring of incompetence.
They do have a track record of malice too, I’ll grant you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if that's the best retort you've got it's time to draw a veil over this
I think the people who know most about pandemics should be the ones to make the ultimate decision regarding how safe it is to reopen schools.
And health and safety must be the first priority ... always
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I've not been quick to ascribe it. However now being in that position, I find nothing from them to make reconsideration effective.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
The Government will find medics to take their party line if they so wish
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You don't get sarcasm I see
bimble
floofy
What if the rate of infection in the Uk just basically stays as it is right now for say two years though?
I just don’t know anymore, but a lot of faiths being put in there being a clear end in sight just not quite yet where I can’t see where that confidence is coming from really.
That's awful.
Over here the chief medical officer is thankfully independent of government.
sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
I keep feeling a bit baffled that this might be news to anyone - that the idea of opening schools soon, without waiting for real evidence, is just a no-brainer
- but I am not working atm or wfh (canteen staff in a secondary school), so I will totally acknowledge that I have loads more time atm to be reading every, single thing that relates to it.But I am still completely focused on the impact on the wider community - it's really fucking me off that the issues around schools are constantly framed, by the gov, as dismissing risks to children when there are risks to them, albeit minimal so far (re the Kawasaki/Toxic shock syndrome stuff) but where there are obvious potential risks that grow from transmission via kids, outwards, too, with no information being shared on that, despite unions repeatedly requesting that evidence.
We still don't have enough PPE provision for all NHS workers, ffs, let alone in care homes - and now they want to open schools? It's brainless - not because children are more precious - just because we are clearly not there yet, when every 'target' set is changed (because they have all failed).
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I think, surprisingly, the decision to open schools is the first thing that has actually had a significant impact on support for the government.
Their response to the crisis has been so terrible but still the general population seemed to think the PM was doing a good job. Until now.
Ironically I'm sure they thought this move would meet with mass approval from parents desperate to get their children back to school. But whichever way you look at it, it's still only a few weeks of school for an unknown quantity of risk.
Their response to the crisis has been so terrible but still the general population seemed to think the PM was doing a good job. Until now.
Ironically I'm sure they thought this move would meet with mass approval from parents desperate to get their children back to school. But whichever way you look at it, it's still only a few weeks of school for an unknown quantity of risk.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Then the government will have plenty of time to get the PPE in.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
No chief medical officer, or equivalent, is independent of the state. They've got where they are for a reason.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
I think there's huge animosity towards and distrust of this government. It's just not reported on.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
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I've heard similar from a parent.
Interesting comment from one parent. With all the social distancing within schools that is proposed it negates the learning process for development of children. Its possibly counterproductive:
Pupils to stand in hoops on playground in 'ridiculous' reopening measures
It also said children would be encouraged to clean themselves up if they have a toilet accident or cut themselves.metro.co.uk
I've heard similar from a parent.
Interesting comment from one parent. With all the social distancing within schools that is proposed it negates the learning process for development of children. Its possibly counterproductive:
Spandex
A crazy bulbous punchbag of sound
What's needed to get towards some kind of normality until a vaccine turns up (if a vaccine turns up) is a shit hot test-trace-isolate system.
All the talk of vulnerable children, the importance of schooling or whatever from the government and their supporters is just so much blather to distract from the simple fact that they've failed to sort out a test-trace-isolate system and it'll still be weeks before they've got one, working or otherwise.
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sheothebudworths
Up the bum - no babies!!!
Well they've changed their language now, haven't they? The NHS were all great - with lots of evidence that they fucked it/it's workers. Embarrassing.
Feels to me like they have learnt from that and have gone right in on schools/teachers - 'duty' etc - no claps for teachers. Fuck all that - we're far enough into it that everyone has adjusted to it and we can go back to normal, focus on the £££'s and telling people off.
Thora
Differently Ethical
No social distancing has actually been proposed for young children though, has it? Is any country distancing under 7s in schools or nurseries?
My concern about the talk about how disturbing it will be for children to go to school or childcare with any form of extra hygiene measures or social distancing in place, is that it seems likely to me that things will not be all back to normal by September.
Are key workers damaging the development of their children by sending them to school and childcare now?
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