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Re-opening Schools?

I am a postman. My partner is a teacher. My son is an apprentice PE assistant/lifeguard at a school. My daughter is a temp contract school bursar. You should have bothered to spellcheck hypocrisy.

Louis MacNeice

That. (I can't believe my memory is that good for shit detail on this thread).
Care to explain what this means?

Louis MacNeice
 
If you are against private education, you get a job down the local state school with local kids, not opt to teach those who can afford private. :)

Are jobs like a pick and mix selection bag; just dip in your hand and pull out what you want? I never knew. Just to be clear my son works as an appentice in a private school (PE and life guarding); I know he didn't see it as a free choice.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Wow Louis MacNeice :thumbs:

Anyway back on track, my kids school sent a letter today saying they won’t be starting any class teaching til September (presumably whatever the Govt instructs). Instead they’re getting year 10 & 12 kids in individually to kick their arses. Seems a reasonable strategy, although doesn’t solve the school as a social services place.
 
we'd like to know Mrs Gramsci's opinion on crystal healing before we give her the hippie all-clear tbf

It's my background. My parents actually pre dated hippies. It was Beatniks then. My Dad was post war working class who wanted something different to the grey conformity of his father's generation. The hippies came along bit later. My small otherwise conservative town had small alternative society. So I remember the hippies

Recently I helped save our local adventure playground in London. Looking at the history and it was the hippies who started them and ran them in the 70s. Chatting to my older London born workmates and they all have fond memories of the hippies running the adventure playgrounds. These are all working class guys who grew up on postwar London council estates.

Play / giving working class children from the big estates somewhere to learn through play was done by the "hippies".

Anarchist input as well from people like Colin Ward. At time it was radical to say that play is important. To give the opportunity to the working class kids of postwar city.

So I have soft spot for Hippies. They are much maligned.

That's why I asked about it.
 
Are jobs like a pick and mix selection bag; just dip in your hand and pull out what you want? I never knew. Just to be clear my son works as an appentice in a private school (PE and life guarding); I know he didn't see it as a free choice.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
This is a bit of a revelation tbh. I was led to believe the state system was crying out for teachers. Clearly not.
 
Wow Louis MacNeice :thumbs:

Anyway back on track, my kids school sent a letter today saying they won’t be starting any class teaching til September (presumably whatever the Govt instructs). Instead they’re getting year 10 & 12 kids in individually to kick their arses. Seems a reasonable strategy, although doesn’t solve the school as a social services place.

That is pretty much the proposed idea for secondaries already.
 
This is a bit of a revelation tbh. I was led to believe the state system was crying out for teachers. Clearly not.

Schools need teachers, TAs, INAs, office staff, cleaners, caretakers etc.; unfortunately they don't always have the budget to pay for them. You seem a little ill informed on this whole education business...a bit more research/thought needed?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
So I saw a report on this happening (in England) earlier.

The young children will sit 1 meter apart, any toiletry or injury will have to be dealt with by the child, no matter what happens. At break they will stand on an X in a hula hoop...which they will not treat as a toy...for 10 or 20 minutes (depending on the weather).

Teachers won't require ppe unless a kid throws up, apparently.

Rich schools aren't opening.


When did 1 metre become 6 feet? Is this a Brexit thing?

As for the hulahoop. Wtf?
This is craziness. Written by people who have clearly never worked with young kids.

It assumes that children stay still. 😳😳 they dont.
It assumes they wont wet themselves or poo in their pants
They do. Occasionally.

Crazy.
 
It is.

...and it isn't

It's crying out for people who can teach Maths or Physics.
Yes, as I said part of the increasing privatisation of public services - want to teach an "unproductive" arts or humanity subject, sorry you'll have to go teach at this selective free school/private university; want to get involved with providing support systems for those in need, sorry you'll have to take a job with that charity or third sector business.
 
Ah right. Makes sense. Subject specific.

Yeah.

There's other factors too.

Budgetary, obviously.

Some schools shifting from Teachers to "paraeducators" (TAs with a fancy title and additional responsibilities but no extra pay) for routine lesson delivery.

Individual schools preferences for experience or inexperience.

etc. etc.

I know a lot of teachers. Very few have their "pick of jobs". Most struggle to move.

Yet, at the same time most schools that I've been involved with struggle to recruit (and retain) the staff they're after.
 
When did 1 metre become 6 feet? Is this a Brexit thing?

As for the hulahoop. Wtf?
This is craziness. Written by people who have clearly never worked with young kids.

It assumes that children stay still. 😳😳 they dont.
It assumes they wont wet themselves or poo in their pants
They do. Occasionally.

Crazy.
But take it as a premise.

Let's say you're a teacher and you're also aware of the circumstances of your 15-odd (5 years old or so) pupils. You know that one family in particular has been saying 'fuck you' to the lockdown Let's say the young child from that family does something that makes the others want to run to the hurt/distressed/troubled wee one, as happens with all children, all the time.

You could make a dozen horrible propositions like that in 5 minutes. All horrible, all real. All risking lives.

No teacher, no child, no parent and no society should be put in that situation. And the cunts who are pushing it...the tories...Eton isn't re-opening, as I said.

It's insane to consider this...as a society we can deal with a disruption, it's good for us. To put children and those tasked with educating them into such a position...it's nigh on complicit.

(not talking about any posters here, 26 pages)
 
But take it as a premise.

Let's say you're a teacher and you're also aware of the circumstances of your 15-odd (5 years old or so) pupils. You know that one family in particular has been saying 'fuck you' to the lockdown Let's say the young child from that family does something that makes the others want to run to the hurt/distressed/troubled wee one, as happens with all children, all the time.

You could make a dozen horrible propositions like that in 5 minutes. All horrible, all real. All risking lives.

No teacher, no child, no parent and no society should be put in that situation. And the cunts who are pushing it...the tories...Eton isn't re-opening, as I said.

It's insane to consider this...as a society we can deal with a disruption, it's good for us. To put children and those tasked with educating them into such a position...it's nigh on complicit.

(not talking about any posters here, 26 pages)


I totally agree with you.
It is absolute madness.

Over here the 6feet social distancing is set to stay for a long time.
Schools may open in Sept but only if the Chief Medical Officer says so. And only if schools can ensure 6 feet between pupils. There wont be classes of 28. There may be classes of 4. And pupils might only attend onsite one day a week and the rest of the time at home.

I cant understand the UK position. And I wonder if Northern Ireland will follow suit? That will surely affect people living near the border on both sides.
 
Lots of people who have never voted conservative think children should be able to go back to school and teachers should attend school to educate them.
 
And the cunts who are pushing it...the tories...Eton isn't re-opening, as I said.

I was posting in response to the above. I support children being able to attend their schools. I am not a tory. What eton does shouldn't stop the state providing schools for children to attend.
 
Some schools shifting from Teachers to "paraeducators" (TAs with a fancy title and additional responsibilities but no extra pay) for routine lesson delivery.

As part of my course as a social policy and administration undergraduate some 30 years ago I met met a senior foundation trust hospital manger who was very explicit about this process. His 'business' as he described it, had 75% of it's cost in wages/salaries. Therefore shifting work tasks down the pay grades - at that time from doctors to nurses, latterly from nurses to health care assistants and assistant practitioners - was the most effective way of diminishing the trust's expenditure, and that was the primary driver.

It's not new and it's not clever.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
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