RCP/Spiked/IoI

[phildwyer]

2 Brendan O'Neill really has outdone himself with this.

Only one person is responsible for Aaron Swartz's death, and that is Aaron Swartz

What a pathetically stupid article.

I detect the noxious influence of American libertarianism, still a reliable lure for half-wits after all these years.

 

[phildwyer]

Patrick Hayes did an approving piece on these for Spiked earlier this week so yup.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/12265/

My God, just when I thought we´d plumbed the utter depths of stupidity, this pops up.

This really is pathetically stupid.

´Howes, like an entrepreneur, explains that the reason for establishing the Liberty League was a case of supply and demand: ‘There’s a growing demand for an end to interference in people’s lives. More and more people are getting annoyed with the state, but they might not necessarily pin it on the state at the start.’ This is where Liberty League comes in.¨´

Like an entrepreneur. Supply and demand. Morons.

 

[phildwyer]

I found this in my university webmail inbox and I was tempted to make a sarcastic reply.

That was a close one.

 

[treelover]

Furedi was on the 'the big question' last sunday...

 

[DaveCinzano]

Furedi was on the 'the big question' last sunday...

Was the question in question "why are you so fucking boring?", and was his answer very tedious and extended?

 

[nino_savatte]

Brendan O'Neill's latest smear.

Why are Western liberals always more offended by Israeli militarism than by any other kind of militarism? It’s extraordinary. France can invade Mali and there won’t be loud, rowdy protests by peaceniks in Paris. David Cameron, backed by a whopping 557 members of parliament, can order airstrikes on Libya and British leftists won’t give over their Twitterfeeds to publishing gruesome pics of the Libyan civilians killed as a consequence. President Obama can resume his drone attacks in Pakistan, killing 13 people in one strike last month, and Washington won’t be besieged by angry anti-war folk demanding ‘Hands off Pakistan’.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsit...n-this-rage-against-israel/15400#.U8aiwPldXng

He doesn't get out much. For O'Neill, anyone who is on the Left is a "liberal". I knew loads of people who were against Hollande's adventure in Mali. The man is a fool.

 

[nino_savatte]

Furedi on Newsnight last week. He completely misses the point about child sexual abuse. We're not talking about kids being abducted from playgrounds, but kids from children's homes being used for the vile pleasure of adults who discard these kids like chucking a fag end on the pavement.

 

[belboid]

Furedi was abysmal on Newsnight. When Christine Odone outwits you, you know you're in trouble. Or you should, anyway.

 

[nino_savatte]

Furedi was abysmal on Newsnight. When Christine Odone outwits you, you know you're in trouble. Or you should, anyway.

That's what I thought. I don't normally like Odone (I find her irritating), but she was on the money.

 

[belboid]

That's what I thought. I don't normally like Odone (I find her irritating), but she was on the money.

I think even Furedi knew he was talking rot. he has one basic point - these inquiries take ages to let everything go off the boil - which is perfectly fair enough, but as for the rest of it.....

And has he had a stroke? I was sure I'd heard him before, speaking rather more clearly.

 

[cantsin]

Furedi seems to thinks the Oratory expose re: them being caught red handed by Ofsted selecting predominantly white middle class pupils ( big surprise, but sickening still ) is just them selecting on basis of Catholicism , despite all evidence to the contrary :

Frank Furedi ‏@Furedibyte 9h
Gosh a Catholic school discriminates in favour of Catholics! London Oratory ordered to change its admissions policy http://bbc.in/1l12h61

http://bit.ly/1rg5Yw2

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Heard Claire Fox calling for the abolition of the NHS on the radio recently. How radical, supporting government policy.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Heard Claire Fox calling for the abolition of the NHS on the radio recently. How radical, supporting government policy.

Well, when she was a teacher she was always banging on about how much she hated kids. Probably why Füredi put her in charge of the youth wing

 

[nino_savatte]

Heard Claire Fox calling for the abolition of the NHS on the radio recently. How radical, supporting government policy.

Very libertarian, I'd say.

 

[nino_savatte]

Eddie Munster manages to smear both the left and those who oppose Israel's actions.

However, it seems pretty clear to me that much of the left in Europe and America is becoming more anti-Semitic, or at least risks falling into the trap of anti-Semitism, sometimes quite thoughtlessly. In the language it uses, in the ideas it promotes, in the way in which it talks about the modern world, including Israel, much of the Left has adopted a style of politics that has anti-Semitic undertones, and sometimes overtones. The key problem has been the Left’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking, its growing conviction that the world is governed by what it views as uncaring “cabals”, “networks”, self-serving lobbyists and gangs of bankers, all of which has tempted it to sometimes turn its attentions towards those people who historically were so often the object and the target of conspiratorial thinking – the Jews.

Yes, one can hate Israel’s attack on Gaza without hating the Jews. But there’s no denying that the hatred being expressed for Israel’s attack on Gaza is different to the opposition to all other acts of militarism in recent times. Just compare the huge 2003 Hyde Park demo against the Iraq War with the recent London demos against Israel’s attack on Gaza. The former had an air of resignation; it expressed a mild, middle-class sense of disappointment with Tony Blair, through safe, soft slogans like “Not In My Name”. The latter, by contrast, have been fiery and furious, with screeching about murder and mayhem and demands that the Israeli ambassador to the UK be booted out. Some attendees have held up placards claiming that Zionists control the British media while others have accused both London and Washington of “grovelling” before an apparently awesomely powerful Israeli Lobby.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/b...ft-anti-semitic-sadly-it-is-heading-that-way/

What a cunt.

 

[hipipol]

Judging by the various bits of other peoples direct exp with these idiots mentioned on this thread and the "writings" posted here they seem to hanker after a very rigid, categorized world that brooks no argument
What a pity Sparta no longer exists
Perhaps they can buy some land and build one themselves

 

[nino_savatte]

O'Neill's turned the comments off.

Comments for this thread are now closed.

He can dish it out but he can't take it.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

It's actually quite interesting that the post-RCP wankers have slowly been adopting right-contrarian stupidities on this sort of question. The only part of their leftism that had mostly survived their libertarian-crank turn was their strident naive anti-imperialism.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

It's probably been asked earlier in the thread but has anyone written a decent article or paper which analyses the move from RCP to IoI?

 

[killer b]

there's that LRB piece which certainly touches on it: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n13/jenny-turner/who-are-they

 

[cantsin]

there's that LRB piece which certainly touches on it: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v32/n13/jenny-turner/who-are-they

comprehensive piece that

 

[DairyQueen]

Over time, I have come to think of these people as self-loathing Tories. Surprised they are getting increased coverage on the BBC. Would have thought there were better alternatives that could give an informed opinion.

 

[belboid]

Is it increasing? The idiot Fox has been on the Immoral Maze for years, O'Neill and others have been favourites of the right-wing press for, it must be, a decade.

 

[DairyQueen]

Never noticed. I knew O'Neill wrote for the Telegraph. Can't say I remember what. I don't really count the Telegraph as mainstream though. Probably a little in part to people like O'Neill 'reporting' on the day events somewhat diminishes the brand.

Just read about Moral Maze. Thanks for informing me that this programme exists. I predict it will be even worse than I am currently imagining it, so will probably give it a miss.

 

[killer b]

the telegraph is the biggest selling broadsheet in the country ffs. it defines (a certain kind of) mainstream.

 

[DairyQueen]

Sorry for the tangent.

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/DownloadPublication/240_sri_you_are_what_you_read_042005.pdf

Newspaper readership by voting intention

Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrat

GB (%) 35 33 22
Daily Mirror (%) 60 16 17
Star (%) 53 18 15
Guardian (%) 46 6 37
Sun (%) 41 32 13
Independent (%) 35 13 39
Express (%) 27 46 17
Times (%) 27 39 28
Financial Times (%) 25 43 24
Mail (%) 21 55 16
Daily Telegraph (%) 16 63 16
None (%) 35 28 26

The report is quite interesting... but, back to the point, you're looking at the Tory hipster movement.

 

[belboid]

Just read about Moral Maze. Thanks for informing me that this programme exists. I predict it will be even worse than I am currently imagining it, so will probably give it a miss.

Jimmy Savile repeats are less offensive

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Fox would probably call off the post Savile "witch hunt" on the Moral Maze. Disturbingly she sounds just like Owen Jones when she speaks on that programme.

 

[DotCommunist]

the telegraph is the biggest selling broadsheet in the country ffs. it defines (a certain kind of) mainstream.

come the day the subscriber list will serve as a handy shortlist of those due a tribunal

 

[belboid]

Fox would probably call off the post Savile "witch hunt" on the Moral Maze.

In one!

CLAIRE FOX: Sex abuse is just an excuse to attack the Church