Question Time tonight

[Leftwinger1992]

What articles are these?

If your politics is limits to what the BBC allows you to see and if you take that as reality

Yes there is a strong suggestion that you don't respect the outcome of the vote - in that leave voters are irrational and that MPs should have the vote on what happens, not the irrational voters.

The articles I am referring to both appeared in the press last week. One was a Daily Express article with the headline "Time To Silence EU Exit Whingers" and the other was a Daily Mail comment piece which appeared on its front page saying - "Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people." In terms of respecting the outcome of the vote, the British people voted by a majority to leave the EU so that should happen, but that doesn't mean that MP's should not be allowed to scrutinise and vote on the terms of any deal which the government makes with the EU. Yes, people voted out, but they didn't vote for the type of Brexit - i.e. do we remain a member of the single market? Do we remain a member of the EU Customs Union? Do we trade on the basis of WTO rules etc...?

 

[Leftwinger1992]

How long have you been a member? Before or after Gordon Brown's British jobs for british workers? Where is the fine line? What's the non-racist position on 'mass immigration and controlling numbers'?

I've been a member for six years now, so it was after what Gordon Brown said in that speech. As I said, there is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and the effect it's having on public services and communities, but we should also respect the contribution immigrants make to our economy and society. Now, what is racist and xenophobic is when you've got Nigel Farage standing in front of a poster of refugees who aren't even entering this country with the words "breaking point" on it. It's this type of language that is dangerous and causes hatred and fear.

 

[butchersapron]

The articles I am referring to both appeared in the press last week. One was a Daily Express article with the headline "Time To Silence EU Exit Whingers" and the other was a Daily Mail comment piece which appeared on its front page saying - "Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people." In terms of respecting the outcome of the vote, the British people voted by a majority to leave the EU so that should happen, but that doesn't mean that MP's should not be allowed to scrutinise and vote on the terms of any deal which the government makes with the EU. Yes, people voted out, but they didn't vote for the type of Brexit - i.e. do we remain a member of the single market? Do we remain a member of the EU Customs Union? Do we trade on the basis of WTO rules etc...?

Ok an article in the express and one in the mail. What do you think these mean practically? The second one was linked to attempts to ignore the vote btw, something which you said that you support in spirit, if not in language.

If you're a left-winger why aren't you calling for peoples reps to lead the negotiations rather than MPs? They're not there to save you

 

[butchersapron]

I've been a member for six years now, so it was after what Gordon Brown said in that speech. As I said, there is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and the effect it's having on public services and communities, but we should also respect the contribution immigrants make to our economy and society. Now, what is racist and xenophobic is when you've got Nigel Farage standing in front of a poster of refugees who aren't even entering this country with the words "breaking point" on it. It's this type of language that is dangerous and causes hatred and fear.

It's good this, you get to say immigration is bad and it's good but whatever anyone else says is racist.

 

[butchersapron]

I've been a member for six years now, so it was after what Gordon Brown said in that speech. As I said, there is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and the effect it's having on public services and communities, but we should also respect the contribution immigrants make to our economy and society. Now, what is racist and xenophobic is when you've got Nigel Farage standing in front of a poster of refugees who aren't even entering this country with the words "breaking point" on it. It's this type of language that is dangerous and causes hatred and fear.

What did you think of the leader of your party saying british jobs for british workers btw?

 

[butchersapron]

I've been a member for six years now, so it was after what Gordon Brown said in that speech. As I said, there is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and the effect it's having on public services and communities, but we should also respect the contribution immigrants make to our economy and society. Now, what is racist and xenophobic is when you've got Nigel Farage standing in front of a poster of refugees who aren't even entering this country with the words "breaking point" on it. It's this type of language that is dangerous and causes hatred and fear.

What is the intention behind pointing to racist posters when discussing this beyond suggesting this was the main motivation behind the vote - esp when saying that this isn't what you think. It clearly is what you think.

 

[Buckaroo]

I do respect the people who voted out. I was simply pointing out that you can't reason with some people who voted Brexit on the basis of some of the comments I heard from audience members on QT last night towards members of the panel and to a fellow audience member.

Maybe you should be trying to reason with people. Maybe that's the point.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Haha let's agree to disagree as we aren't ever going to agree on this. I do think there's an element of "let's scrutinise the new poster" here.

 

[Buckaroo]

Haha let's agree to disagree as we aren't ever going to agree on this. I do think there's an element of "let's scrutinise the new poster" here.

Racism is bad. Thank you.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Racism is bad. Thank you.

I'm glad you agree

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm glad you agree

I see you're playing a game of concurs

 

[Leftwinger1992]

I see you're playing a game of concurs

Makes a change, I guess.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been a member for six years now

(((Leftwinger1992)))

 

[stavros]

Did Black force that caveat from Dimbleby at the beginning - "he has always maintained his innocence" - as a condition for appearing? If so the producers should've told him to fuck off.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

(((Leftwinger1992)))

What?

 

[butchersapron]

Did Black force that caveat from Dimbleby at the beginning - "he has always maintained his innocence" - as a condition for appearing? If so the producers should've told him to fuck off.

Why was he on there at all?

 

[Pickman's model]

What?

The brackets are to indicate a hug. It is an indication of sympathy for your predicament

 

[Leftwinger1992]

The brackets are to indicate a hug. It is an indication of sympathy for your predicament

I've voted Labour in both of the two elections I've been entitled to vote in and voted Remain in the EU referendum. So I'm used to be on the losing side! Can't see much changing this time round either.

 

[stavros]

Why was he on there at all?

That could be said of a great many QT panelists over the years.

Apparently Ken Clarke has appeared more than any other guest over the years, 56 times in 34 years.

 

[butchersapron]

That could be said of a great many QT panelists over the years.

Apparently Ken Clarke has appeared more than any other guest over the years, 56 times in 34 years.

Cuddly Ken - grand a time. Cuddly NF cuddly Ken.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Haha let's agree to disagree as we aren't ever going to agree on this. I do think there's an element of "let's scrutinise the new poster" here.

yeh cos racial profiling is a good look.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

yeh cos racial profiling is a good look.

I can't see any racial profiling going on.

 

[Buckaroo]

Haha let's agree to disagree as we aren't ever going to agree on this. I do think there's an element of "let's scrutinise the new poster" here.

Scrutiny, that's not scrutiny There are no new posters on here, just posters who haven't posted yet or for a while incognito but you're nothing new

 

[ManchesterBeth]

As I said, there is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and the effect it's having on public services and communities, but we should also respect the contribution immigrants make to our economy and society.

Same fucking difference innit. not hard to follow.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Scrutiny, that's not scrutiny There are no new posters on here, just posters who haven't posted yet or for a while incognito but you're nothing new

If you say so. I have this forum down as being pretty left-wing in comparison to many others on the internet but seemingly fairly anti-EU.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've voted Labour in both of the two elections I've been entitled to vote in and voted Remain in the EU referendum. So I'm used to be on the losing side! Can't see much changing this time round either.

Nor can i

 

[inva]

If you say so. I have this forum down as being pretty left-wing in comparison to many others on the internet but seemingly fairly anti-EU.

as I remember remain supporters were by far the majority on here

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Nor can i

Out of interest, are you a member of a political party?

 

[Pickman's model]

Out of interest, are you a member of a political party?

No.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

as I remember remain supporters were by far the majority on here

Fair enough, just my earIy experience I guess.