Question Time tonight

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I did wonder if Mandy would be on but guess he is far to up his own backside in some palatial pad in London these days, not paid for with someone's else's money.

 

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Conrad black opens; "Trump"!

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Please tell me I haven't just witnessed Conrad Black endorse Trump. Jesus wept.

 

[Dogsauce]

Foreign criminals, coming over here, appearing on our political panel shows...

 

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The audience appeared very vocal Ken Clarke appearing as the elder statesman, Duffy was toxic ( as described by two audiance members), as was Black and Rayner, while speaking with passion appeared to be fighting her own corner rather than the party's. Clarke spoke of true democracy in Parliament and MP's voting however they wanted on issues forgetting to mention party whips .
The toxic thing came from Farrage (and Trump) giving the public to be racist. Liked the poor Polish woman, who would not be shouted down when she tried to explain that despite being here a long time and having family Etc. over here, she no longer felt welcome. "Should UKIP now merge with the tories?"
Same old shit really but with subtle twists.

 

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BTW, I see that Paxman is after the QT gig when DD retires/moves on. Does this mean he will take over the whole show and ask a question millions of times until he gets the right answer?

 

[treelover]

Very angry primarily working class audience, who were clearly for Brexit and felt abandoned.

 

[treelover]

The audience appeared very vocal Ken Clarke appearing as the elder statesman, Duffy was toxic ( as described by two audiance members), as was Black and Rayner, while speaking with passion appeared to be fighting her own corner rather than the party's. Clarke spoke of true democracy in Parliament and MP's voting however they wanted on issues forgetting to mention party whips .
The toxic thing came from Farrage (and Trump) giving the public to be racist. Liked the poor Polish woman, who would not be shouted down when she tried to explain that despite being here a long time and having family Etc. over here, she no longer felt welcome. "Should UKIP now merge with the tories?"
Same old shit really but with subtle twists.

Why was Angela 'toxic, she acknowledged the audience concern over immigration and the fears they were being left behind, industry disappearing, but that a hard brexit would not help the area.

 

[Pickman's model]

Very angry primarily working class audience, who were clearly for Brexit and felt abandoned.

yes. but what do you think?

 

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I said Duffy was toxic and Angela was passionate, but fighting her own corner

 

[Sirena]

BTW, I see that Paxman is after the QT gig when DD retires/moves on. Does this mean he will take over the whole show and ask a question millions of times until he gets the right answer?

I never rated Paxman. Typical big-man bully-boy.

During the whole build-up to the invasion of Iraq, I remember seeing Jonathan Dimbleby (the ITV one) interviewing one of the main neocon warmongers.

Dimbleby asked an innocent question to draw his man out, then another tempter and, just when the man was arrogantly exposing himself, Dimbleby whacked him with the final question that showed his man to be what he was. That sort of thing impressed me and made me think it's the way a Middleweight works.

Paxman is a Heavyweight with just one punch and he keeps using it because it's all he knows. Ultimately, he's boring.

 

[nuffsaid]

Sorry to say it but Black did make me look at Trump in a different light after he mentioned how the small group of people keep passing the office of the Presidency back and forwards to each other.

 

[Sirena]

Sorry to say it but Black did make me look at Trump in a different light after he mentioned how the small group of people keep passing the office of the Presidency back and forwards to each other.

Yes, I have no sympathy for Black but that rang a bell with me too. I don't like political dynasties.

 

[comrade spurski]

My partner is working away from home this week. I tried to watch QT for the first time in an age...lasted until Black spoke for the first time before I began muttering obscenities at the TV and by time he spoke the second time I was resembling a combination of the miserable bastard from One Foot In The Grave and Father Jack.
At this point my 13 yr old walked in the room, told me to turn over or she'd tell her mum that I was I was searing at the TV again! So I watched the end of The Fugitive again!

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Very angry primarily working class audience, who were clearly for Brexit and felt abandoned.

Yeah, no surprise really with it being Hartlepool. I was shocked by the way a few members of the audience spoke to Angela Rayner and Ken Clarke. Both were heckled for daring to stand up for their own beliefs and the best interests of their constituents, in the case of Clarke - a majority who voted Remain. I think it would be irresponsible of Rayner and Clarke not to point out the risks a hard Brexit entails. I can't see anyone moaning or not respecting democracy, but rather merely stating facts a lot of Brexiteers would rather ignore. They would rather be given a blank cheque to do what they want without any scrutiny. The irony is these people partly wanted Brexit to win back the "sovereignty" of the British parliament, yet many of them seem unwilling to give MP's a say and vote on the terms of any future deal with the EU.

 

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Angela clearly was sympathetic to how the EU had affected areas like Teeside, but also how Brexit will hammer them.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Angela clearly was sympathetic to how the EU had affected areas like Teeside, but also how Brexit will hammer them.

I agree. Angela made it very clear that she respected the outcome of the referendum and understood why the people of the North East voted how they did, but also pointed out the threats such as the loss of university research funding and of valuable exports with the EU. Despite this, she got heckled. I'm sorry to say but you can't reason with some of these people who voted Brexit.

 

[butchersapron]

Angela clearly was sympathetic to how the EU had affected areas like Teeside, but also how Brexit will hammer them.

How does that work in reality?

And why Angela?

 

[treelover]

I agree. Angela made it very clear that she respected the outcome of the referendum and understood why the people of the North East voted how they did, but also pointed out the threats such as the loss of university research funding and of valuable exports with the EU. Despite this, she got heckled. I'm sorry to say but you can't reason some of these people who voted Brexit.

Angela gets it, the right(and i suspect the LP right) hate her.

 

[butchersapron]

I agree. Angela made it very clear that she respected the outcome of the referendum and understood why the people of the North East voted how they did, but also pointed out the threats such as the loss of university research funding and of valuable exports with the EU. Despite this, she got heckled. I'm sorry to say but you can't reason some of these people who voted Brexit.

Which ones can you reason with and respect?

 

[butchersapron]

Angela gets it, the right(and i suspect the LP right) hate her.

You better be a member after all you have posted.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, no surprise really with it being Hartlepool. I was shocked by the way a few members of the audience spoke to Angela Rayner and Ken Clarke. Both were heckled for daring to stand up for their own beliefs and the best interests of their constituents, in the case of Clarke - a majority who voted Remain. I think it would be irresponsible of Rayner and Clarke not to point out the risks a hard Brexit entails. I can't see anyone moaning or not respecting democracy, but rather merely stating facts a lot of Brexiteers would rather ignore. They would rather be given a blank cheque to do what they want without any scrutiny. The irony is these people partly wanted Brexit to win back the "sovereignty" of the British parliament, yet many of them seem unwilling to give MP's a say and vote on the terms of any future deal with the EU.

This sounds like you don't respect the vote at all. As does your previous post which suggests that people who disagree with you are irrational, not to be talked to and instead ignored and preferably cut out of any participation in democratic process.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Which ones can you reason with and respect?

I'm sure there are many people who voted Brexit who did so for what they felt are the right reasons. However, in my opinion, there are too many who did so through fear of immigrants and foreigners. Look at the reaction the Polish woman got for saying she didn't feel welcome - she got booed which completed backed up her point.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm sure there are many people who voted Brexit who did so for what they felt are the right reasons. However, in my opinion, there are too many who did so through fear of immigrants and foreigners. Look at the reaction the Polish woman got for saying she didn't feel welcome - she got booed which completed backed up her point.

Are you a member of the Labour Party?

Of course, the idea here is to suggest that mass of people who oppose the EU are racists - objectively or by accident - and this was what motivated the leave vote. Leavening it with i'm sure many people, or the good folks on here is just wank. You mean us. Me.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

This sounds like you don't respect the vote at all. As does your previous post which suggests that people who disagree with you are irrational, not to be talked to and instead ignored and preferably cut out of any participation in democratic process.

There's nothing in my post which suggests I don't respect the vote. I totally respect the outcome of the referendum, but that doesn't mean those who voted remain should not be able to voice their own opinions and concerns about the risks Brexit could entail. I do believe that you can't reason with some people who voted Brexit, as was clearly demonstrated with the way some audience members treated MP's who disagreed with them and the booing of the Polish woman. Now what I find really undemocratic is articles in the anti-Brexit press that talk about silencing 16 million people who voted remain.

 

[Buckaroo]

There's nothing in my post which suggests I don't respect the vote.

There's a lot to suggest you don't respect the people who voted.

 

[butchersapron]

There's nothing in my post which suggests I don't respect the vote. I totally respect the outcome of the referendum, but that doesn't mean those who voted remain should not be able to voice their own opinions and concerns about the risks Brexit could entail. I do believe that you can't reason with some people who voted Brexit, as was clearly demonstrated with the way some audience members treated MP's who disagreed with them and the booing of the Polish woman. Now what I find really undemocratic is articles in the anti-Brexit press that talk about silencing 16 million people who voted remain.

What articles are these?

If your politics is limits to what the BBC allows you to see and if you take that as reality

Yes there is a strong suggestion that you don't respect the outcome of the vote - in that leave voters are irrational and that MPs should have the vote on what happens, not the irrational voters.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

Are you a member of the Labour Party?

Of course, the idea here is to suggest that mass of people who oppose the EU are racists - objectively or by accident - and this was what motivated the leave vote. Leavening it with i'm sure many people, or the good folks on here is just wank. You mean us. Me.

Yes, I'm a member of the Labour Party. I am not suggesting that most people who voted to leave the EU are racist, but there are undoubtedly some who voted leave who are racist and xenophobic and I know of people myself who are like this. Being honest, the main reason for Britain leaving the EU was immigration and border control. There is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and controlling numbers, but there is a fine line between this and it fanning over into racism and xenophobia. The current climate of fear and hatred is certainly whipped up by UKIP, elements of the Tory party and their friends in the right-wing anti-EU press, who certainly played a big part in determining the outcome of the vote.

 

[Leftwinger1992]

There's a lot to suggest you don't respect the people who voted.

I do respect the people who voted out. I was simply pointing out that you can't reason with some people who voted Brexit on the basis of some of the comments I heard from audience members on QT last night towards members of the panel and to a fellow audience member.

 

[butchersapron]

Yes, I'm a member of the Labour Party. I am not suggesting that everyone who voted to leave the EU is racist, but there are undoubtedly some who voted leave who are racist and xenophobic and I know of people myself who are like this. Being honest, the main reason for Britain leaving the EU was immigration and border control. There is nothing wrong with being concerned about mass immigration and controlling numbers, but there is a fine line between this and it fanning over into racism and xenophobia. The current climate of fear and hatred is certainly whipped up by UKIP, elements of the Tory party and their friends in the right-wing anti-EU press, who certainly played a big part in determining the outcome of the vote.

How long have you been a member? Before or after Gordon Brown's British jobs for british workers? Where is the fine line? What's the non-racist position on 'mass immigration and controlling numbers'?