Prince Harry

[strung out]

was it? i'm interested.

my understanding is that the non-granting of the title to the Sussex's son was entirely in accordance with the rules. there were then two stories - both from Harry, firstly that 'they are thinking about it' with the 'they' not being specified and the story not reappearing, and then that they (the sussex's) didn't want him to be titled Prince anyway.

i don't doubt there were conversations on the subject, but conversations do not neccessarily mean change of long-held policy in a deeply conservative organisation.

The claim in the interview from Meghan is that in conversations about Archie becoming a prince once Charles acceded to the throne, they were told that while it had been convention up to that point, 'they' (presumably Charles) wanted to change that convention now to exclude Archie and any future siblings.

 

[chilango]

But again, we can recognize that without dismissing the bullying allegations out of hand.

Sure.

I'm not dismissing them.

 

[Edie]

?

The Mail

 

[Sasaferrato]

This is incorrect, as explained in detail to Sasaferrato yesterday.

No, it is not incorrect. For Archie to become HRH would require an issue of Letters Patent from the monarch.

The ruling was made in IIRC 1913 by KGV. George is the child of the heir presumptive, which is why he is HRH.

Google it it, it is perfectly clear.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The claim in the interview from Meghan is that in conversations about Archie becoming a prince once Charles acceded to the throne, they were told that while it had been convention up to that point, 'they' (presumably Charles) wanted to change that convention now to exclude Archie and any future siblings.

When did Charlie first talk about slimming down the monarchy? Was it after Harry got together with Meghan, or before? I can't be fucked to looked, but had a feeling it was some time before as part of his dislike of his paedophile brother.

edit, a quick google doesn't throw up anything older than late 2019, so an anti-Archie measure is still plausible.

edit of edit: Prince Charles Made Prince Andrew ‘Furious,’ Edward ‘Dismayed,’ Queen ‘Surprised’ With One Decision

 

[ddraig]

No, it is not incorrect. For Archie to become HRH would require an issue of Letters Patent from the monarch.

The ruling was made in IIRC 1913 by KGV. George is the child of the heir presumptive, which is why he is HRH.

Google it it, it is perfectly clear.

If you've googled it to check then you could just provide your source?

 

[Sasaferrato]

The claim in the interview from Meghan is that in conversations about Archie becoming a prince once Charles acceded to the throne, they were told that while it had been convention up to that point, 'they' (presumably Charles) wanted to change that convention now to exclude Archie and any future siblings.

Charles cannot do that... at the moment. When he is king (if he outlives his mother) then it is up to him.

The whole thing is immaterial anyway, the wish for Archie to be HRH, was to secure security, but living in the US, that was never going to happen.

Apart from the cica £4m per annum, British cops can't carry weapons in the US.

 

[Sasaferrato]

When did Charlie first talk about slimming down the monarchy? Was it after Harry got together with Meghan, or before? I can't be fucked to look, but had a feeling it was some time before as part of his dislike of his paedophile brother.

edit, a quick google doesn't throw up anything older than late 2019, so an anti-Archie measure is still plausible.

His grandson? Really?

 

[kebabking]

The claim in the interview from Meghan is that in conversations about Archie becoming a prince once Charles acceded to the throne, they were told that while it had been convention up to that point, 'they' (presumably Charles) wanted to change that convention now to exclude Archie and any future siblings.

So Archie was never going to be born a Prince, and was told that he wasn't going to become one?

I try not to stick up for Charlie if I can help it, but his 'slimming down' the monarchy plan is 20+ years old, and no news to anyone. Least of all his sons, who were happy to support it when it was Andrew and Edwards' children who were being hoofed out of the 'senior royals' bucket...

 

[strung out]

No, it is not incorrect. For Archie to become HRH would require an issue of Letters Patent from the monarch.

The ruling was made in IIRC 1913 by KGV. George is the child of the heir presumptive, which is why he is HRH.

Google it it, it is perfectly clear.

The ruling was made in 1917. According to that ruling, Archie is entitled to become a Prince when Charles becomes King, which is the convention that Meghan was referring to being changed.

Check your fucking facts.

 

[Aladdin]

Have you never worked in any workplace ever or something?

Eh? You know I've posted about being bullied at work.
To such a degree that I had to take leave on stress grounds.

 

[strung out]

So Archie was never going to be born a Prince, and was told that he wasn't going to become one?

I try not to stick up for Charlie if I can help it, but his 'slimming down' the monarchy plan is 20+ years old, and no news to anyone. Least of all his sons, who were happy to support it when it was Andrew and Edwards' children who were being hoofed out of the 'senior royals' bucket...

I don't care either way, I'm just correcting people who haven't watched the interview and are claiming (falsely) that Meghan said Archie should already be a prince, but was denied it. Her claim is that Archie would not be made a prince once Charles becomes king, in a change to existing convention.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Apart from the cica £4m per annum, British cops can't carry weapons in the US.

What???

 

[Epona]

Eh? You know I've posted about being bullied at work.
To such a degree that I had to take leave on stress grounds.

Yeah I know, so have a lot of us, myself included. It is why I was shocked that you couldn't see her possibly being a bully. Anyone with a bit of power over employees can be a workplace bully.

 

[Aladdin]

you know what an actor does for a living, don't you?

sorry, this is just entry-grade sillyness - this is akin to that idiot who, when presented with the facial reconstruction of Richard III said 'how could anyone look at that face and think he was a tyrant?'.

you - and i - have absolutely no idea whatsover what this or that person we don't know is like in private, and we cannot know. i do know however that if junior staff in, say, Hollywood accused a male actor of bullying/intimidation, the idea that he couldn't possibly do it because he comes across so well in a heavily rehearsed interview would hold water here for precisely 0.00000000041 seconds.

Well.. strike me down and pickle my ass.
Lol.. so because we cant judge her.. we are resigned to think she is a bully..
I rather give people the benefit of the doubt and the royal householders claiming they were bullied have come up with some pretty flimsy shite about emails at night...
I mean...who looks at their work email after 6pm?

 

[Epona]

Well.. strike me down and pickle my ass.
Lol.. so because we cany judge her.. we are resigned to think she is a bully..
I rather give people the benefit of the doubt and the royal householders claiming they were bullied have come up with some pretty flimsy shite about emails at night...
I mean...who looks at their work email after 6pm?

What on earth are you on about?

 

[Aladdin]

What on earth are you on about?

I was responding to kebabking.
The bullied staff claimed they were sent emails after hours.
That's part of their "I was bullied by Meghan" claim.

 

[Epona]

I'd rather trust the staff than be an apologist for their employer. ALWAYS.

Also have you never had your phone or PC pinging fucking work notifications at you when you are off the clock? Yeah it's out of order.

 

[kebabking]

Well.. strike me down and pickle my ass.
Lol.. so because we cany judge her.. we are resigned to think she is a bully..
I rather give people the benefit of the doubt and the royal householders claiming they were bullied have come up with some pretty flimsy shite about emails at night...
I mean...who looks at their work email after 6pm?

You mean you give the benefit of the doubt to people you like, and don't give the benefit of the doubt to people you don't like?

So to be clear, you give the benefit of the doubt to to someone who its rich, powerful, famous and has Oprah Winfrey along to their wedding, but assume that a fairly junior, not well paid, not famous, civil servant is lying about being bullied at work?

Cool story bro....

 

[Orang Utan]

I'd rather trust the staff than be an apologist for their employer. ALWAYS.

Also have you never had your phone or PC pinging fucking work notifications at you when you are off the clock? Yeah it's out of order.

You can turn them off. My boss sends very early emails from time to time, but it’s fine as I won’t see them until I start work

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I prefer to spare the benefit of the doubt wrt the royals. So Andrew is a sweaty nonce. They're a bunch of racist fuckwits. And Megan treated her staff like shit.

 

[Aladdin]

You mean you give the benefit of the doubt to people you like, and don't give the benefit of the doubt to people you don't like?

So to be clear, you give the benefit of the doubt to to someone who its rich, powerful, famous and has Oprah Winfrey along to their wedding, but assume that a fairly junior, not well paid, not famous, civil servant is lying about being bullied at work?

Cool story bro....

That's not what I'm doing.

 

[Aladdin]

I'd rather trust the staff than be an apologist for their employer. ALWAYS.

Also have you never had your phone or PC pinging fucking work notifications at you when you are off the clock? Yeah it's out of order.

Why are you being so aggressive towards me Epona?

I'm not an apologist for the monarchy . You'd know this if you read my posts here. I'm also someone who has had to take work related stress leave because of extreme bullying.
I'm a bit surprised that you're doing this as you surely know me?

 

[Epona]

Why are you being so aggressive towards me Epona?

I'm not an apologist for the monarchy . You'd know this if you read my posts here over the past 8 years. I'm also someone who has had to take work related stress leave because of extreme bullying.
I'm a bit surprised that you're doing this as you surely know me?

I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not being aggressive. Don't paint disagreement as aggression please!

 

[gosub]

I prefer to spare the benefit of the doubt wrt the royals. So Andrew is a sweaty nonce. They're a bunch of racist fuckwits. And Megan treated her staff like shit.

Well its got to have been pretty bad, to move to the US to get away from racism.

 

[Aladdin]

I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not being aggressive. Don't paint disagreement as aggression please!

No..you're actually being aggressive. You may not realise it but you are.
And you hauled someone else up for doing it to you earlier.
The smilie doesn't help. Sorry...

 

[Gromit]

I'm disagreeing with you, I'm not being aggressive. Don't paint disagreement as aggression please!

You used CAPS. You SHOUTED them down.

You’re a big mean bully just like Megan.

 

[Epona]

No..you're actually being aggressive. You may not realise it but you are.
And you hauled someone else up for doing it to you earlier.
The smilie doesn't help. Sorry...

I am not being aggressive, I am completely confused and hurt right now. Am I not allowed to disagree with people?

 

[Epona]

You used CAPS. You SHOUTED them down.

You’re a big mean bully just like Megan.

Where did I use caps?

Oh I said ALWAYS. Because I will always believe the employee over the employer - that wasn't shouting at anyone here.

Not allowing me to disagree with anyone is bullying at this point.

 

[Orang Utan]

You used CAPS. You SHOUTED them down.

You’re a big mean bully just like Megan.

Fuck off Gromit. Never has a situation least needed your input