Prince Harry

[Spymaster]

… surely it’s not necessarily a bad thing for the public to know what happens in war and how soldiers are trained to think. Most of us would see killing people you’ve been trained to dehumanise as horrific, but if it’s all kept secret then military actions risk being minimised at best, and becoming jingoistic at worst.

I'm not sure that military training does specifically emphasise dehumanizing the enemy but even if it does I don't think for a minute that Harry made the remarks as a public service. It's no secret that soldiers kill people in wars but most tend not to brag about it. I think it all goes back to the question of why he'd put that into the book. Absolutely nothing to gain but loads of potential downside to both his security and reputation. It feels like the dickhead gobbing-off in the pub who served with 'The Regiment', tells war stories, but everyone knows has always worked in Sainsburys. Except Harry's telling the truth.

 

[ska invita]

Nah I think she has a point. He married a yank and all of a sudden he's having therapy and oversharing....If he'd married a proper English rose fuck it even a rhododendron he'd have been just another upper class eccentric

its attitudes like yours that make me cheer on the harry and meghan show

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Yeah Spymaster , fair enough on questioning the motivation. Even reading it in the context of the book (rather than its reporting) will probably make it hard to know for certain. My impression so far is that there seems to be a confessional aspect to it all but then I do also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

[bellaozzydog]

I'm not sure that military training does specifically emphasise dehumanizing the enemy but even if it does I don't think for a minute that Harry made the remarks as a public service. It's no secret that soldiers kill people in wars but most tend not to brag about it. I think it all goes back to the question of why he'd put that into the book. Absolutely nothing to gain but loads of potential downside to both his security and reputation. It feels like the dickhead gobbing-off in the pub who served with 'The Regiment', tells war stories, but everyone knows has always worked in Sainsburys. Except Harry's telling the truth.

It’s conditioning and once trained and you arrive in theatre it’s inevitable. To say it’s not done specifically……there isn’t a week three module call Dehumanising the enemy

If it feels like “a dickhead down the pub” perhaps you should read the account he gave,

your analogy fails because, he was definitely in Afghanistan and flew an airframe whose sole function delivering weapons on to targets. No one thinks he is a fantasist who works in sainsburys

How you feel appears to be based on the narrative being pimped out against him.

 

[Spymaster]

If it feels like “a dickhead down the pub” perhaps you should read the account he gave,

your analogy fails because, he was definitely in Afghanistan and flew an airframe whose sole function delivering weapons on to targets. No one thinks he is a fantasist who works in sainsburys

This is a poor reading of what I've written.

Of course he was there and of course he killed people. The point is, what was his motivation for describing it so graphically in the book?

 

[ska invita]

dehumanizing is a massive part of all aspects of military training


a must watch

 

[Spymaster]

My impression so far is that there seems to be a confessional aspect to it all but then I do also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Possibly, but I think you may be cutting him more slack than he deserves!

 

[gosub]

its attitudes like yours that make me cheer on the harry and meghan show

Other shrubs would have been equally eccentric.

My actual attitude is their position seems to be that he and his family should have been better protected from stories in the the media they didn't like whilst coining it providing the media with stories his family provably rather didn't appear in the media....meanwhile fuckton of actual news and issues go unreported in favour of this sideshow

 

[bellaozzydog]

This is a poor reading of what I've written.

Of course he was there and of course he killed people. The point is, what was his motivation for describing it so graphically in the book?

Probably aiming at honesty and openness

 

[LDC]

Is penis frostbite really a thing that happens that easily? I can understand nose, fingers, toes etc, but surely something that should spend all but a few moments well wrapped up adjacent to the core of the body shouldn't be at risk? I mean you don't hear about people getting elbow frostbite or outie tummy button frostbite do you?

Yeah it is platinumsage. Not uncovered (you'd hope) but it is an extremity and outside the core body warmth (obviously).

 

[Spymaster]

Probably aiming at honesty and openness

Possibly, being charitable. To me it looks like misplaced braggadocio that he should have been very strongly advised against.

 

[Petcha]

Harry's squabbles over parking spots... and his complaint that he was 'half buried' in his palace flat:​

• Neighbour was ‘very fond’ of parking Land Rover Discovery in front of windows

 

[MickiQ]

‘Given me’
What a strange thing to say about a collaborative project

Nope I think that's a fair appropriate description, she put a lot more effort into their birth than I did. Having been present for the birth of all mine, I am even more grateful for the fact that the genetic coin flip gave me a Y chromosome rather than an X one. Men really do have it easy.

 

[MickiQ]

Harry's squabbles over parking spots... and his complaint that he was 'half buried' in his palace flat:​

• Neighbour was ‘very fond’ of parking Land Rover Discovery in front of windows

The horror of it!

 

[A380]

Is penis frostbite really a thing that happens that easily? I can understand nose, fingers, toes etc, but surely something that should spend all but a few moments well wrapped up adjacent to the core of the body shouldn't be at risk? I mean you don't hear about people getting elbow frostbite or outie tummy button frostbite do you?

I've had it when the end drags in the snow when I'm walking...

 

[ouirdeaux]

It’s long been an alternative form of Henry

Strictly speaking, both Henry and Harry derive from a Germanic name reflected in the modern German Heinrich. You could argue that Henry is the French form and Harry the English one, although the French version is preferred in this country for official purposes.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I've had it when the end drags in the snow when I'm walking...

I prevent that by wrapping it round my leg.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I've had it when the end drags in the snow when I'm walking...

(((A380's 1" legs)))

 

[xenon]

I've had it when the end drags in the snow when I'm walking...

You're only 2` tall?

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What I mean is like , if the royals are such a dignified, respectful institution, they aren't showing it. I have no sympathy for Prince Harry and ive got little interest in the class war stuff these days, im well aware how wealth doesn't buy you happiness but I'm starting to think we should do away with the monarchy for their own good if nothing else.

If you're born into a system, where you have unearned wealth and privilege, coupled with being shuttled between nannies and boarding schools, while your narcissistic elders compete for public attention, there's little chance you're going to develop into a well-rounded person.

 

[killer b]

I'm starting to think we should do away with the monarchy for their own good if nothing else.

Worth remembering Harry's great-great-grandad was given a lethal injection of heroin and cocaine so he would die in time for the following morning's Times front page

 

[Petcha]

Is Harry now rowing back on the racist claims about his baby and blaming the press instead?

Yeh, he did. Claimed Meghan didn't mean the family was racist by an unnamed member of the family asking if the baby would be brown. If someone did ask that then they're a fucking racist and should be called out for it. I seem to recall at the time he said it definitely wasn't is granddaddy which is quite staggering considering his form.

 

[pinkmonkey]

If you're born into a system, where you have unearned wealth and privilege, coupled with being shuttled between nannies and boarding schools, while your narcissistic elders compete for public attention, there's little chance you're going to develop into a well-rounded person.

It's utterly bonkers isn't it? I hope this is the beginning of the end for the ridiculous charade. I just always think back to Doug Stanhopes standup about the Royal family.

 

[Petcha]

A lot of his stuff doesnt really ring true tbh. He actually phoned Willy and Kate to ask if wearing a Nazi uniform was a good idea, they said yes, and so he did? I don't really get that.

 

[Sasaferrato]

It’s conditioning and once trained and you arrive in theatre it’s inevitable. To say it’s not done specifically……there isn’t a week three module call Dehumanising the enemy

If it feels like “a dickhead down the pub” perhaps you should read the account he gave,

your analogy fails because, he was definitely in Afghanistan and flew an airframe whose sole function delivering weapons on to targets. No one thinks he is a fantasist who works in sainsburys

How you feel appears to be based on the narrative being pimped out against him.

In 1976 when I joined, the dehumanisation was directed at the 'Bog Arabs'.

I was only once in a situation where I was going to open fire for real, and I had I fired, I would have killed one of our own.

The thing I found quite frightening afterwards was that I would have fired, the target was just that, a target. I'm eternally grateful that I didn't., although, if I had, i was entirely justified in doing so.

 

[friedaweed]

I don't know a man who's been present at their kids birth and hasn't had a go on the gas and air.

One of the few benefits, that and the tea in plastic cups.

 

[kebabking]

I didn't try the gas and air.

I don't know to what degree that makes me an outlier within either the Urbanz collective or wider society, but I think it needed to be said.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

Worth remembering Harry's great-great-grandad was given a lethal injection of heroin and cocaine so he would die in time for the following morning's Times front page

I’ve just had to google the royal family tree to work out who that was and I now feel sullied , like when you accidentally click on a Daily Mail article.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I didn't try the gas and air.

I don't know to what degree that makes me an outlier within either the Urbanz collective or wider society, but I think it needed to be said.

You were down the pub?

 

[Yossarian]

I’ve just had to google the royal family tree to work out who that was and I now feel sullied , like when you accidentally click on a Daily Mail article.

John Belushi?