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Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

Pickman's model said:
i don't believe a word of his 'alibi' for the simple reason that he will have a staff who will maintain his diaries for him, listing every appointment. so all he'd have needed to do would be to ask one of them to pluck down the appointment diary for 2001 to see precisely what he'd been doing on eg 10 march.
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It wasn’t a particularly good alibi either. What with children’s birthday parties rarely overlapping with nightclub hours.
 
Duncan2 said:
Its a bit surprising to me that,apparently,no one has made much,any, effort to interview Ghislaine.Probably too late now that she has seen how badly these exculpatory interviews can go.
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I'm sure they would if they could but she's laying low and no one (who cares to tell) knows where she is.
 
Pickman's model said:
i don't believe a word of his 'alibi' for the simple reason that he will have a staff who will maintain his diaries for him, listing every appointment. so all he'd have needed to do would be to ask one of them to pluck down the appointment diary for 2001 to see precisely what he'd been doing on eg 10 march.
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It can't be that hard for the manager of the pizza place on that date to be found. He would remember it if it happened, which makes me tend to believe it did.
But Andrew is desperately trying to confuse us simpletons with tales of eating out, like us common folk. He's one of our own etc...it's the nightime( when he was at Tramp) he needs and doesn't have an alibi for.
 
clicker said:
It can't be that hard for the manager of the pizza place on that date to be found. He would remember it if it happened, which makes me tend to believe it did.
But Andrew is desperately trying to confuse us simpletons with tales of eating out, like us common folk. He's one of our own etc...it's the nightime( when he was at Tramp) he needs and doesn't have an alibi for.
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It must be true as it could be proved but as you say, it doesn't mean he wasn't in Tramp all night not dancing, not sweating and not buying drinks because he doesn't know where the bar is.
 
clicker said:
It can't be that hard for the manager of the pizza place on that date to be found. He would remember it if it happened, which makes me tend to believe it did.
But Andrew is desperately trying to confuse us simpletons with tales of eating out, like us common folk. He's one of our own etc...it's the nightime( when he was at Tramp) he needs and doesn't have an alibi for.
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I was interested in the bit about how he remembered the Pizza Express trip when someone 'reminded him of it'. I also have a feeling it may be true, though utterly irrelevant to the clubbing thing, as you say. But with the 'someone reminded me' he was keen to avoid the specifics of who reminded him. Unless it was one of his kids (I think they went to the pizza thing iirc?) it was either one of his flunkies/diary person or a royal protection goon. If I'm right on that, it would be a good line for journos to pursue with the palace, forcing them to get drawn in further to his web of lies.
 
Mrs Miggins said:
See with that...with him...I have a very strong supicion that it would never enter his head that anyone might NOT want to have sex with him because, well, he's Prince Andrew isn't he?
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I'm sure that's true and with epstein doing the dirty work of trafficking the women, you had a perfect case of supply and demand (though that feels like a flippant way of describing a rape). That's why I've been interested in his pattern of behaviour and whether journos are sitting on similar cases, the extent to which 'house parties', dinners with him as the 'guest of honour', have been set up similarly. That's speculating way beyond the careful way you should approach any potential court case, but in his case, fuck him. He's not going to see the inside of a police station so let's hope things get uncomfortable for him in other ways.
 
TopCat said:
Yeah. She is at the heart of this. By all accounts she was Epsteins procurere of girls. She managed the girl's emotionally and directed them what to do sex wise to Epstein and his pals.

I would not be surprised if she never is seen again.
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she sleeps with the fishes
 
TopCat said:
Yeah. She is at the heart of this. By all accounts she was Epsteins procurere of girls. She managed the girl's emotionally and directed them what to do sex wise to Epstein and his pals.

I would not be surprised if she never is seen again.
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Yes. There is a comment on the Statement Analysis blog @not-bono-ever linked to above:
Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend and a British socialite, had oversight of Epstein's homes and island, and all the hiring for those places. She is accused of procuring the underage minors that were being trafficked on Epstein's plane and in all the locations. Listen to what Prince Andrew says about her.



Andrew: Well I met through his girlfriend uh, back in 1999, who um - and I’d known her since uh she was at university in the UK. Um, and it would be to some extent a stretch to stay that that um, uh, as it were, we were close friends uh w-we were friends because of other people, um, and I had a lot of opportunity to um, go the United States, um, but I didn’t have much time with him.

Andrew: but, uh - certainly at my invitation, not at the royal family’s invitation, but remember that it was his girlfriend that was the key element in this. He was the, as it were, plus one, to some extent, in in in that aspect.

EM: Am I right in thinking you threw a birthday party um, for Epstein’s girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, at Sandringham?

Andrew: No- it was a shooting weekend.


EM: You’ve visited Ghislaine Maxwell’s house in Belgravia in London.
Andrew: Yes


EM: In July he was invited to Windsor Castle, to your daughter, Princess Beatrice’s, eighteenth birthday. Why would you do that?

Andrew: Because I was asking Ghislaine. But even so at the time, I don’t think - I um, certainly I wasn’t aware, when the invitation was issued, of what was going on in the United States, and I wasn’t aware until the media picked up on it, because he never said anything about it.


Andrew: Um, uh - now, still not, for- and the reason being is that the people that I met, um, and the opportunities that I was given to learn, um - either by him or because of him, were actually very useful. He himself, um, not as it were, as close as you might think, we’re not - we weren’t that close, so therefore, I mean - yes, I would go and stay in his house, but that was because of his girlfriend, not because of him.
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I believe that Ghislaine Maxwell is indeed the key element in this.
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