Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[Magnus McGinty]

But you can only settle with someone who wants to settle.

But it’s also a gamble if she doesn’t.

 

[Sprocket.]

If they get a move on they could start on the 30th January, the 373rd anniversary of Charles Stuart’s demise.

 

[Athos]

If they get a move on they could start on the 30th January, the 373rd anniversary of Charles Stuart’s demise.

Sadly they don't file pretrial questionnaires until the end of July, so unlikely to be much before October (if it gets that far).

 

[Raheem]

But it’s also a gamble if she doesn’t.

Possibly one she feels safe taking, though.

 

[danski]

If he goes to court, he should be made to wear no jacket and a blue shirt.

 

[Sprocket.]

Sadly they don't file pretrial questionnaires until the end of July, so unlikely to be much before October (if it gets that far).

374th anniversary then!

 

[Pickman's model]

374th anniversary then!

i was at the movement against the monarchy do there on the 350th anniversary. there's some charles i society that has a meal in the banqueting hall every year to commemorate the glorious event.

 

[Athos]

Possibly one she feels safe taking, though.

It's hard to see how she can; she has the burden of proof in a case that ultimately comes down to her words against his. And where losing could expose her to losses in the millions. It's possible she wants her day in court, but she'll have been advised how risky that it. I suspect they'll both be keen to settle.

 

[LDC]

It's hard to see how she can; she has the burden of proof in a case that ultimately comes down to her words against his. And where losing could expose her to losses in the millions. It's possible she wants her day in court, but she'll have been advised how risky that it. I suspect they'll both be keen to settle.

Plus the considerable costs of a legal team until the trial.

 

[Athos]

Absurd as the 'no sweat' and pizza express defences were, I thought he must have something to back them up (doctored diary entries, verbal support from one of his flunkies, records from a dodgy doctor for the adrenaline thing etc). That he hasn't got any of is really quite astonishing. Well, it's not astonishing as it's not true, but astonishing in that he would say those things publicly. He genuinely thought this day would never come. Good.

I find it impossible to believe that he remembered the particular date of being in Pizza Express so many years after without any sort of documentation.

 

[bluescreen]

Plus the considerable costs of a legal team until the trial.

Is her lawyer still acting pro bono?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Possibly one she feels safe taking, though.

Can she afford to lose?

I think her position is different. She (probably) can't afford to go to court and lose.

He can't afford to let it go to court, even if he were to win.

Game of chicken regarding the amount to be paid, in which she is in a very strong negotiating position.

 

[Wilf]

I find it impossible to believe that he remembered the particular date of being in Pizza Express so many years after without any sort of documentation.

Without going back to the interview, I think he said something like 'we've checked back', which I took to mean his private office staff, perhaps with his lawyers. If this does go to court, you'd imagine his daughter would eventually offer up a dodgy alibi, but who knows. The daft thing is that a trip to Woking would still have given him time to go a-noncing at Tramp later that night.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

A dare among his staff?

Say he was at Pizza Express in Woking. 50 quid if he believes you.

 

[Athos]

Without going back to the interview, I think he said something like 'we've checked back', which I took to mean his private office staff, perhaps with his lawyers. If this does go to court, you'd imagine his daughter would eventually offer up a dodgy alibi, but who knows. The daft thing is that a trip to Woking would still have given him time to go a-noncing at Tramp later that night.

It's unclear what those checks were, then, as he's already told the plaintiff (in response to discovery requests) he has no documentation in relation to the alleged alibi

 

[TopCat]

first catch a bed sheet and spray paint. make stencils of the slogan you wish to paint, then using masking tape attach to the sheet. secure the sheet outside and using the spray paint fill in the stencils. wait a minute, remove the stencils and allow to dry flat

Please, use a clean sheet.

 

[Pickman's model]

Please, use a clean sheet.

and a flat sheet, not one of those elasticated monstrosities

 

[Dystopiary]

It's hard to see how she can; she has the burden of proof in a case that ultimately comes down to her words against his. And where losing could expose her to losses in the millions. It's possible she wants her day in court, but she'll have been advised how risky that it. I suspect they'll both be keen to settle.

Surely it's possible that she has some evidence. Like she could be able to say if he had a [mole in a certain place] for example. Plus witnesses of sorts.

 

[Athos]

Surely it's possible that she has some evidence. Like she could be able to say if he had a [mole in a certain place] for example. Plus witnesses of sorts.

Possibly. But even that wouldn't necessarily prove she didn't consent to sex with him.

It's famously difficult to prove these sort of historic allegations.

 

[RileyOBlimey]

During the civil trial of Epstein he was grilled about the shape of his nob.

Are we all ready to hear about Paedo Andy’s peculiar penis?

 

[Pickman's model]

Possibly. But even that wouldn't necessarily prove she didn't consent to sex with him.

It's famously difficult to prove these sort of historic allegations.

it may be difficult to prove but imo andrew has done himself no favours by overstating his ability to disprove the allegations and the trend in direction has all been one way -> towards vg's version of events. so while i don't doubt it would be hard if not impossible to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt i think that it wouldn't be nearly so difficult to get this over the balance of probabilities standard.

 

[Dystopiary]

Possibly. But even that wouldn't necessarily prove she didn't consent to sex with him.

It's famously difficult to prove these sort of historic allegations.

Yeah. Still he was adamant he wasn't there and she might be able to show that's not true.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah. Still he was adamant he wasn't there and she might be able to show that's not true.

he's adamant he can't sweat...

 

[Dystopiary]

it may be difficult to prove but imo andrew has done himself no favours by overstating his ability to disprove the allegations and the trend in direction has all been one way -> towards vg's version of events. so while i don't doubt it would be hard if not impossible to prove this beyond a reasonable doubt i think that it wouldn't be nearly so difficult to get this over the balance of probabilities standard.

Yeah, I'm thinking having told people privately years ago her version of events would hopefully count for something, possible diary entries etc.

 

[Athos]

Yeah, I'm thinking having told people privately years ago her version of events would hopefully count for something, possible diary entries etc.

Likely inadmissible as hearsay

 

[Athos]

Yeah. Still he was adamant he wasn't there and she might be able to show that's not true.

Did he deny meeting her, or was he careful to say he didn't have any recollection of having done so?

ETA:

'PA: I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever.
...
PA: No, I have… I don't know if I've met her but no, I have no recollection of meeting her.'

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, I'm thinking having told people privately years ago her version of events would hopefully count for something, possible diary entries etc.

the dream would be andrew on the stand

 

[bluescreen]

Did he deny meeting her, or was he careful to say he didn't have any recollection of having done so?

ETA:

'PA: I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady, none whatsoever.
...
PA: No, I have… I don't know if I've met her but no, I have no recollection of meeting her.'

"I have met so many compliant young ladies, how do you expect me to remember them all?"
Tbh, this would have been a more convincing defence at the outset.

 

[Dystopiary]

the dream would be andrew on the standard wing of a regular prison

ffy

 

[Pickman's model]

the dream would be andrew in a penguin

ffy