MrSki
Who am I to say you're wrong
Isn't that why Johnson gave up his? To avoid paying capital gains?
Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit
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MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This smacks of desperation to me to say the least. She was born in California so deffo a US citizen, I believe you can renounce US citizenship if you choose but you actively have to do so, it doesn't expire and since both Australia and the US allow dual citizenship then becoming an Aussie one won't affect it.
He Who Cannot Sweat appears to view the trial even taking place as being the same as losing it. Suspect he might be right to, regardless of the actual outcome there will be finger pointing forever on the well established if legally unsound principle of "There's No Smoke Without Fire"
He isn't going to jail and any financial penalty might very well be unenforceable but any outcome beside total absolution is going to hang around him like a bad smell forever, he's just too much in the public eye for it ever to be forgotten.
Even if he is totally exonerated (which is still possible) there are still going to be lots that are far from convinced and a great many of the movers and shakers of the world are going to be unenthusiatic about being seen with him.
He Who Cannot Sweat appears to view the trial even taking place as being the same as losing it. Suspect he might be right to, regardless of the actual outcome there will be finger pointing forever on the well established if legally unsound principle of "There's No Smoke Without Fire"
He isn't going to jail and any financial penalty might very well be unenforceable but any outcome beside total absolution is going to hang around him like a bad smell forever, he's just too much in the public eye for it ever to be forgotten.
Even if he is totally exonerated (which is still possible) there are still going to be lots that are far from convinced and a great many of the movers and shakers of the world are going to be unenthusiatic about being seen with him.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
This is not about US Citizenship but about being a citizen of a specific US state. US citizens living overseas can apparently lose their state citizenship and this may restrict some of their legal rights. Desperate but, presumably, the lawyers think it could work
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Citizen of a State
The Fourteenth Amendment provides that American citizens are also citizens "of the state wherein they reside," but U.S. citizenship does not necessitate residence in a particular state.
Persons living abroad, for example, are citizens of the United States but not of any state.
One significant legal disadvantage exists for a person who is not a citizen of a state. The Constitution provides that federal courts can hear "Controversies … between Citizens of different States." The phrase "Citizens of different States" includes citizens of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and Guam. Puerto Rico is in the First Circuit, the Virgin Islands are in the Third Circuit, and Guam, Alaska, and Hawaii are in the Ninth Circuit. A person who is not a resident of a state or designated area, even if he or she is a U.S. citizen, cannot satisfy the diversity of citizenship requirement and therefore cannot bring an action under the Diversity Clause in a federal court.
legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com
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Citizen of a State
The Fourteenth Amendment provides that American citizens are also citizens "of the state wherein they reside," but U.S. citizenship does not necessitate residence in a particular state.
Persons living abroad, for example, are citizens of the United States but not of any state.
One significant legal disadvantage exists for a person who is not a citizen of a state. The Constitution provides that federal courts can hear "Controversies … between Citizens of different States." The phrase "Citizens of different States" includes citizens of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and Guam. Puerto Rico is in the First Circuit, the Virgin Islands are in the Third Circuit, and Guam, Alaska, and Hawaii are in the Ninth Circuit. A person who is not a resident of a state or designated area, even if he or she is a U.S. citizen, cannot satisfy the diversity of citizenship requirement and therefore cannot bring an action under the Diversity Clause in a federal court.
Citizen of a State
Definition of Citizen of a State in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh I think they may have a point. However,this should have been the first argument they laid before the court. Not stuff about some alleged deal. Issues of jurisdiction obviously precede issues around anything else. So by bringing this up now they only look feebleThis is not about US Citizenship but about being a citizen of a specific US state. US citizens living overseas can apparently lose their state citizenship and this may restrict some of their legal rights. Desperate but, presumably, the lawyers think it could work
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Citizen of a State
The Fourteenth Amendment provides that American citizens are also citizens "of the state wherein they reside," but U.S. citizenship does not necessitate residence in a particular state.
Persons living abroad, for example, are citizens of the United States but not of any state.
One significant legal disadvantage exists for a person who is not a citizen of a state. The Constitution provides that federal courts can hear "Controversies … between Citizens of different States." The phrase "Citizens of different States" includes citizens of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands of the United States, and Guam. Puerto Rico is in the First Circuit, the Virgin Islands are in the Third Circuit, and Guam, Alaska, and Hawaii are in the Ninth Circuit. A person who is not a resident of a state or designated area, even if he or she is a U.S. citizen, cannot satisfy the diversity of citizenship requirement and therefore cannot bring an action under the Diversity Clause in a federal court.
Citizen of a State
Definition of Citizen of a State in the Legal Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
And just to add, by arguing about other things first they have imo tacitly accepted the court's authority to hear the case
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
She registered to vote in Colorado in 2019, but has had issues being physically present there in the past two years as travel has been somewhat tricksy...
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Giving up US citizenship is a long and tortuous process and it’s not done till they tell you it’s done. It’s a tax thing.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
* bites nails *
www.yahoo.com
Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell guilty on 5 of 6 counts in sex trafficking case
A jury has convicted Ghislaine Maxwell, the longtime associate of serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, on five of six counts related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls. Maxwell faced a six-count indictment for allegedly conspiring with and aiding Epstein in his sexual abuse of...
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
But what is the verdict?* bites nails *
Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell guilty on 5 of 6 counts in sex trafficking case
A jury has convicted Ghislaine Maxwell, the longtime associate of serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, on five of six counts related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls. Maxwell faced a six-count indictment for allegedly conspiring with and aiding Epstein in his sexual abuse of...
Ghislaine Maxwell found guilty in sex-trafficking trial
Maxwell, 60, convicted on five of the six charges she faced as US prosecutors hail verdict and say ‘justice has been done’
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Guilty! 5 of the 6 charges.* bites nails *
Jeffrey Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell guilty on 5 of 6 counts in sex trafficking case
A jury has convicted Ghislaine Maxwell, the longtime associate of serial sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, on five of six counts related to the abuse and trafficking of underage girls. Maxwell faced a six-count indictment for allegedly conspiring with and aiding Epstein in his sexual abuse of...
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
She'll appeal, won't she, on some obscure grounds.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
The nonce will be sweating right now.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
while the jury is deliberating, the various reporters, hangers-on, etc. go outside for a smoke or out into the hallway for a chinwag, whetev. the jury sends a note to the judge saying "we're ready to come in." the judge then has to pull the room together so there's a bit of an interval. that's what yahoo was reporting.
source: myself, as i've sat on a criminal jury.
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not-bono-ever
meh
So what next for HRH seedy fucker?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
No sleep tonight unaided.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Never have I been happier about a verdict.
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Sweating
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Nonce Andrew is due in court on the 4th January 2022. A civil trial but it's not looking good now.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
HAPPY 2022
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Turned out nice againGhislaine Maxwell found guilty in sex-trafficking trial
Maxwell, 60, convicted on five of the six charges she faced as US prosecutors hail verdict and say ‘justice has been done’www.theguardian.com
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