Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[DaveCinzano]

It's more nuanced than that. Some people would be terrible witnesses and their legal advisers try and keep them away from the witness box. Some people are guilty and shouldn't give evidence unless they are a very accomplished liar.

But others just get flustered or can't give simple answers and let their mouth run away from them.

I've seen more than one person destroy their own perfectly truthful and valid position because they're an idiot.

I've been in a court room when a defence brief has put forward patently untrue (and easily checkable) statements which neither police, prosecution or judge picked up on, but which appeared plausible because the defendants didn't give testimony in which they would likely have flaked out or contradicted each other. [Not saying the lawyer knowingly put forward false statements as fact.]

It was balanced out by dodgy prosecution evidence, unreliable prosecution witnesses being picked apart on the stand, evidence of collusion between police (Special Branch) and 'victim' (large death-dealing corporation) etc. Acquittals all round, in large part because the defence case was unified and presented a reasonable narrative from the evidence put forward by the prosecution, and the prosecution case was nebulous and undermined by its own flaky evidence and witnesses.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

They won’t investigate his sexual relations with a trafficking victim so they won’t care less about gates.

 

[High Voltage]

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It's more nuanced than that. Some people would be terrible witnesses and their legal advisers try and keep them away from the witness box. Some people are guilty and shouldn't give evidence unless they are a very accomplished liar.

But others just get flustered or can't give simple answers and let their mouth run away from them.

I've seen more than one person destroy their own perfectly truthful and valid position because they're an idiot.

Fair enough, but I shall draw my own conclusions in this case, people with degrees from Baliol should be able to assert their innocence in a court of law with no issues, unless of course they are un-innocent.

 

[brogdale]

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At least we now know his 'don't serve me any court papers' face.

 

[pesh]

 

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"A 50-year-old woman, of no fixed abode, has been arrested on suspicion of using threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour to caused harassment/alarm/distress.

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I would have thought a more sensible course of action would be to ignore it and not bring more attention to the nonse trial.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I would have thought a more sensible course of action would be to ignore it and not bring more attention to the nonse trial.

We're not dealing with smart people here.

 

[pogofish]

So far just a log cabin at Balmoral...

Nope - This was taken in either in the castle itself or one or other of the other houses associated with the estate.

They have several houses on the estate where they put-up the lesser/more problematic guests/nazi-connected relatives of Prince Philip etc to give them a bit of distance but the formal/plaid dress suggests this was taken at either one of the balls they host there across the year or dinner at the castle when herself is in residence, which is always a formal affair.

 

[equationgirl]

Nope - This was taken in either in the castle itself or one or other of the other houses associated with the estate.

They have several houses on the estate where they put-up the lesser/more problematic guests/nazi-connected relatives of Prince Philip etc to give them a bit of distance but the formal/plaid dress suggests this was taken at either one of the balls they host there across the year or dinner at the castle when herself is in residence, which is always a formal affair.

Oh dear. Not good for Her Majesty.

 

[pogofish]

Oh dear. Not good for Her Majesty.

Not all the Balls are hosted by Her Maj - Some, eg the annual Ghillie Ball are traditionally hosted by the Prince of Wales/other Royals - and you don't expect ghillies if you go to it. Its usually big-name industrialists/funders/worthy-types.

TBH, there is always an ever shifting crowd of second-line guests/hangers-on etc at Balmoral when she's up there. Most folk go to watch the Queen and her family/first-line guests going to and from Crathie Church on a Sunday but it can actually be more enlightening to see who is amongst the guests who don't qualify for the motorcade and have to walk to and from the estate.

 

[equationgirl]

TBH, there is always an ever shifting crowd of second-line guests/hangers-on etc at Balmoral when she's up there. Most folk go to watch the Queen and her family/first-line guests going to and from Crathie Church on a Sunday but it can actually be more enlightening to see who is amongst the guests who don't qualify for the motorcade and have to walk to and from the estate.

I suppose it was always that way, with courtiers moving in and out of favour.

 

[TopCat]

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im nicking that and sharing.

 

[two sheds]

Nope - This was taken in either in the castle itself or one or other of the other houses associated with the estate.

They have several houses on the estate where they put-up the lesser/more problematic guests/nazi-connected relatives of Prince Philip etc to give them a bit of distance but the formal/plaid dress suggests this was taken at either one of the balls they host there across the year or dinner at the castle when herself is in residence, which is always a formal affair.

I think you'll find it was a straightforward shooting weekend.

 

[pogofish]

I think you'll find it was a straightforward shooting weekend.

Every weekend is a shooting weekend at Balmoral or one or other of the shoots they lease on neighbouring estates in season.

 

[TopCat]

I posted it up on facebook and it was gone within two minutes.

 

[Pickman's model]

At least we now know his 'don't serve me any court papers' face.

That's his 'new trousers please' face

 

[two sheds]

I posted it up on facebook and it was gone within two minutes.

bloody hell such an innocuous photograph, too, with the absolute destructive shit they leave up on the site

 

[Pickman's model]

bloody hell such an innocuous photograph, too, with the absolute destructive shit they leave up on the site

If it'd been a rw meme it'd have gone viral with fb's assistance

 

[Pickman's model]

Nope - This was taken in either in the castle itself or one or other of the other houses associated with the estate.

They have several houses on the estate where they put-up the lesser/more problematic guests/nazi-connected relatives of Prince Philip etc to give them a bit of distance but the formal/plaid dress suggests this was taken at either one of the balls they host there across the year or dinner at the castle when herself is in residence, which is always a formal affair.

Say what you will about prince Philip but at least he fought Nazis. There's but one step from the queen to Hitler, through her uncle. I wonder why you're trying to make Philip the nazi connected one rather than his wife

 

[pogofish]

Say what you will about prince Philip but at least he fought Nazis. There's but one step from the queen to Hitler, through her uncle. I wonder why you're trying to make Philip the nazi connected one rather than his wife

Maybe because they were the ones that were feared to have potential for stirring negative public opinion in the UK post-WW2? Whereas the Queen was largely seen as beyond reproach.

The Badens, Hesse's and Hohenlohe-Langenburg's were all well-known faces on Deeside over the years and I last saw Hesse and the Badens as recently as a couple of years back, before Lockdown. So they still come here but keep a low profile. They initially put them in BIrkhall until it was going to be disposed of but the Queen Mother bought it for her private residence then it passed to Charles on her death and it remains his residence today.

 

[Pickman's model]

Maybe because they were the ones that had the potential for stirring negative public opinion in the UK post-WW2? Whereas the Queen was largely seen as beyond reproach.

The Badens, Hesse's and Hohenlohe-Langenburg's were all well-known faces on Deeside over the years and I last saw Hesse and the Badens as recently as a couple of years back, before Lockdown. So they still come here but keep a low profile. They initially put them in BIrkhall until it was going to be disposed of but the Queen Mother bought it for her private residence then it passed to Charles on her death and it remains his residence today.

I don't give a fuck about that, nothing to do with my post where I wondered why YOU are trying to make Philip the nazi connected one.

 

[pogofish]

I don't give a fuck about that, nothing to do with my post where I wondered why YOU are trying to make Philip the nazi connected one.

I'm not - that he had Nazi-connected relatives is a matter of fact, as is Edward VIII that was to the Queen.

If I'm making any point, it is that the guest list at Balmoral has always had a few people at different levels who they probably don't want to make too much noise about.

 

[tim]

Say what you will about prince Philip but at least he fought Nazis. There's but one step from the queen to Hitler, through her uncle. I wonder why you're trying to make Philip the nazi connected one rather than his wife

Yes, but to be fair this is the English royal family. Uncle David would have had no compunction about having his usurping brother Lilibet, Margaret and the Door-Step Duchess slaughtered if it got him his throne back. Fraticidal slaughter is part of their tradition.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not - that he had Nazi-connected relatives is a matter of fact, as is Edward VIII that was to the Queen.

Elizabeth and Philip were related so his relatives are her relatives. It's genealogy not rocket science.

 

[pogofish]

Indeed - but he was the seen as being the one with the potential for upset by the British establishment post-WW2.

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed - but he was the seen as being the one with the potential for upset by the British establishment post-WW2.

These nazi-connected people allowed into the country. How much less frequently was the Duke of Windsor

 

[pogofish]

They played the game and kept visits low profile in largely private places, whilst the Duke of Windsor developed a reputation for being indiscrete and holding his own "court" in plush London Hotels and the like.

That might explain why?

 

[equationgirl]

Say what you will about prince Philip but at least he fought Nazis. There's but one step from the queen to Hitler, through her uncle. I wonder why you're trying to make Philip the nazi connected one rather than his wife

Well yes, but also his favourite sister was married to a high ranking Nazi. So I expect he may have had some complicated feelings about them.

 

[Pickman's model]

They played the game and kept visits low profile in largely private places, whilst the Duke of Windsor developed a reputation for being indiscrete and holding his own "court" in plush London Hotels and the like.

That might explain why?

I always love it when someone posts a reply without quoting the post they're replying to, to get the last word in. Very passive aggressive