Prince Andrew, Duke of York, named in underage 'sex slave' lawsuit

[MickiQ]

I think they would only have to prove that she was trafficked, not that she was coerced on that specific occasion.

They would still have to prove that he slept with her, I was kind of hoping that Epstein had been secretly recording stuff for later blackmail purposes and Maxwell would spill the beans but it looks like either he wasn't or she doesn't know where he kept it.

 

[gosub]

They would still have to prove that he slept with her, I was kind of hoping that Epstein had been secretly recording stuff for later blackmail purposes and Maxwell would spill the beans but it looks like either he wasn't or she doesn't know where he kept it.

John Mark Dougan.

 

[Spymaster]

They would still have to prove that he slept with her, I was kind of hoping that Epstein had been secretly recording stuff for later blackmail purposes and Maxwell would spill the beans but it looks like either he wasn't or she doesn't know where he kept it.

Yeah, this. I’m really not sure what anyone would have expected the Met to do other than waste a load of time on something that won’t result in a prosecution in a million years.

VG: “He had sex with me against my will 20 years ago”.
Met: “He says he didn’t, do you have any evidence?”
VG: “No”
Met: “Thanks for coming”.

The fact that nobody believes the fucker is neither here nor there.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Is there? I thought he'd been very carful to say that he had "no recollection" of meeting her, rather than denying that he had?

he did, and then went on to suggest the photo couldn't be legitimate as those were not clothes he ever wore in London* and he has never been upstairs in Maxwell's house.

* "I don't believe it's a picture of me in London because... when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie"

So this couldn't be in London





Which is odd as here he is outside Tramp in 2001...

 

[Magnus McGinty]

i suppose he could just say in court that he couldn’t remember meeting her. He’d just say he meets so many people how could he possibly remember? I probably wouldn’t remember meeting one person in a club once a few years back. would you? (of course he does remember her though, having more than just met her)

I probably wouldn’t remember being in a pizza express on a particular date twenty years ago either.

 

[MickiQ]

John Mark Dougan.

Well that was a fun read but that guy has less credibility than Randy Andy himself which is saying something.

 

[Athos]

he did, and then went on to suggest the photo couldn't be legitimate as those were not clothes he ever wore in London* and he has never been upstairs in Maxwell's house.

* "I don't believe it's a picture of me in London because... when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie"

So this couldn't be in London

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Which is odd as here he is outside Tramp in 2001...

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So, given we've no way of knowing the authenticity of that photo, or where it was taken (whether it was in London or upstairs at Maxwell's house), the only provable lie is that he did go out without jacket and tie in London at least once? Hardly damning. And very different from the idea that he lied about ever meeting her, which seemed to be what was being suggested.

I mean, I believe her, but you can understand why the police don't have much to go (even if they wanted to, which I'm sure they don't), and even if what's she accusing him of was a crime in the UK at the time (which I'm still not sure about).

Unless there's some killer piece of evidence that's been held back to date e.g. a video recording taken for blackmail purposes, I just can't see him getting done for this, unfortunately.

Thankfully, most people know the score, and, even if he avoids a criminal prosecution and a finding against him in the US civil proceedings, he's never returning to public life.

 

[Pickman's model]

I probably wouldn’t remember being in a pizza express on a particular date twenty years ago either.

depends on the quality of the pizza

 

[Pickman's model]

he did, and then went on to suggest the photo couldn't be legitimate as those were not clothes he ever wore in London* and he has never been upstairs in Maxwell's house.

* "I don't believe it's a picture of me in London because... when I go out in London, I wear a suit and a tie"

So this couldn't be in London

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Which is odd as here he is outside Tramp in 2001...

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we are all but bit players in the athos show

 

[MickiQ]

depends on the quality of the pizza

Pizza Express are nice but they're not that good

 

[Magnus McGinty]

depends on the quality of the pizza

There was a decent Italian restaurant on Columbia Rd. I couldn’t tell you any date I was ever there though.

 

[Pickman's model]

There was a decent Italian restaurant on Columbia Rd. I couldn’t tell you any date I was ever there though.

that's a pity

 

[Raheem]

There was a decent Italian restaurant on Columbia Rd. I couldn’t tell you any date I was ever there though.

Even if you really really needed to?

Bet Google knows.

 

[Saul Goodman]

depends on the quality of the pizza

And whether or not you were using it for your alibi.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Even if you really really needed to?

Bet Google knows.

Pre smart phones.

 

[Sue]

There was a decent Italian restaurant on Columbia Rd. I couldn’t tell you any date I was ever there though.

Stingray Global or some such slightly strange name if you mean the pizza place? Think it's still there.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Stingray Global or some such slightly strange name if you mean the pizza place? Think it's still there.

Yeah that’s the one I think.

 

[brogdale]

Yeah, this. I’m really not sure what anyone would have expected the Met to do other than waste a load of time on something that won’t result in a prosecution in a million years.

VG: “He had sex with me against my will 20 years ago”.
Met: “He says he didn’t, do you have any evidence?”
VG: “No”
Met: “Thanks for coming”.

The fact that nobody believes the fucker is neither here nor there.

And yet other jurisdictions (beyond the US) alleged to have been the locations of the Epstein/Maxwell trafficking and abuse have undertaken investigations.

The Met are the exception.

Revealed: Epstein and Maxwell implicated in multiple UK abuse claims over a decade

 

[Sue]

Yeah that’s the one I think.

There was also one a bit further along but IIRC there was some issues with their rent being raised massively and them being under threat or something. That was a while ago mind.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There was also one a bit further along but IIRC there was some issues with their rent being raised massively and them being under threat or something. That was a while ago mind.

Have just googled and yep, that’s the one I mean. Still looks the same almost 20 years later!

 

[spitfire]

Was in there on Sunday last week and they have just repainted the walls but it has remained unchanged other than that since I've been here, 15 years +. It's our "cheap family night out" place. Pizza's for less than a tenner. In Hackney!

 

[equationgirl]

And yet other jurisdictions (beyond the US) alleged to have been the locations of the Epstein/Maxwell trafficking and abuse have undertaken investigations.

The Met are the exception.

Revealed: Epstein and Maxwell implicated in multiple UK abuse claims over a decade

I would have expected a somewhat more thorough investigation including the taking of full, detailed witness statements and collection of any circumstantial evidence.

What we do know is that Epstein had form for this type of thing and Andrew has been lying consistently since day 1 of being linked to Epstein and Maxwell. He's lied about so many aspects of this there's no way anyone could tell when he's being truthful. Yes I know that's not evidence.

 

[equationgirl]

With the references to 2001 in the C4 article it does make me wonder if Virginia Guiffre has been making complaints about incidents in the UK for a very long time.

 

[Pickman's model]

With the references to 2001 in the C4 article it does make me wonder if Virginia Guiffre has been making complaints about incidents in the UK for a very long time.

I'm sure she has

 

[tim]

With the references to 2001 in the C4 article it does make me wonder if Virginia Guiffre has been making complaints about incidents in the UK for a very long time.

Since 2015, at least.

A complete timeline of Virginia Roberts Giuffre's sexual-assault accusations against Prince Andrew

 

[DaveCinzano]

Which is odd as here he is outside Tramp in 2001...

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Any invoices-by-the-guinea lawyer worth their salt would point out that judging by his pupils he is clearly and indubitably not going out but coming back, which is completely different m'lud.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yeah, this. I’m really not sure what anyone would have expected the Met to do other than waste a load of time on something that won’t result in a prosecution in a million years.

VG: “He had sex with me against my will 20 years ago”.
Met: “He says he didn’t, do you have any evidence?”
VG: “No”
Met: “Thanks for coming”.

The fact that nobody believes the fucker is neither here nor there.

Turns out the filth didn’t speak with her, the only people they spoke with was Andrew’s lawyers.

 

[Athos]

Turns out the filth didn’t speak with her, the only people they spoke with was Andrew’s lawyers.

If that's true, it's bonkers. You'd think that, if only for appearances sake, they'd go through the motions of speaking to her.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If that's true, it's bonkers. You'd think that, if only for appearances sake, they'd go through the motions of speaking to her.

Wayne Couzens' employer dropping a rape case having spoken with the accused's lawyers, odd one...

From the Scum:
And his friends last night brazenly said it was “no surprise” the Met had dropped its review into sex abuse allegations for a third time.

Cops contacted Andrew’s £1,000-an-hour legal team after Met chief Dame Cressida Dick asked officers to review the case in August.

It is not known if they spoke to Andrew. But The Sun understands the Met did not quiz 38-year-old Ms Giuffre, now living in Australia.

 

[JoeyBoy]

Wouldn't they have to go to Oz to interview her then? I don't think the cops are very interested in trying to pin anything on him and are just going through the motions but is it worth sending a couple of them to Oz on a jolly when everyone knows nothing is going to come of it?