Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls

[treelover]

Given that you're not allowed to post in that thread anymore I'll answer you here so I'm not goading you for a reaction.

You could have started this thread regardless of the RIP thread. It's an interesting enough subject and it'll generate plenty of controversy. Instead you waded into the RIP thread where people are grieving and emotional just to upset and anger them.

You could have done this without being a bellend about it.

FWIW there's several rock stars I 'd have shagged as an underage schoolgirl. As a happily married 37 year old mother of two I'd still shag them. I know the bigger picture is much more than that but on a personal level it wouldn't have bothered me one bit.

that is you, but there will be plenty of women, and it is always women, who will regret it, may have even damaged them.

 

[existentialist]

I know. I'm a survivor of such a thing.

Too many people are.

 

[Spymaster]

Oh. Did you get one too? How sweet.

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...ilar-disabilities.339711/page-3#post-14311715

 

[SpackleFrog]

What a pathetically disingenuous argument, you may as well equate involuntary man slaughtered with a serial killer, because hey "they're both killers am I right"

So you're saying Bowie didn't mean to have sex with kids?

 

[Ranbay]

Nope.

I remember there being a wierd kind of snobbery around at the time. Once you were 'legal' it was considered somehow 'uncool' to have sex with 'jailbait' (a term which was applied to both girls a couple of years younger and also to those a few week's younger than you who, up until you turned 16, were super desirable).

Having said that, I'm sure some of those whowe met in Pub's at 16-19 were probably telling porkies about their age.

That's a whole lot different to a grown man in a position of power/authority 'de-virginising' young girls he knows are weel below the AoC though.

Not sure if having a car was a position of power/authority but they where not virgins that's for sure. Also slept with a woman who was 32 when I was 18 so I'm sure it was more a shag anything attitude rather than exclusively trying to stick my dick in 15 year olds. I lost my virginity at 13 to a 15 year old girl from school on my lunch break, her mates said she was pregnant the next day,, I had no idea what the fuck had gone on at the time.

 

[Pickman's model]

Too many people are.

 

[8den]

So you're saying Bowie didn't mean to have sex with kids?

No but if he was unaware the person was underage it would be a mitigating factor.

 

[LiamO]

Not sure if having a car was a position of power/authority but they where not virgins that's for sure. Also slept with a woman who was 32 when I was 18 so I'm sure it was more a shag anything attitude rather than exclusively trying to stick my dick in 15 year olds. I lost my virginity at 13 to a 15 year old girl from school on my lunch break, her mates said she was pregnant the next day,, I had no idea what the fuck had gone on at the time.

just to be clear.

The last line of my post was refering to Bowie et al, not you.

I don't think their is much wrong with kids of 16/17 wanting to shag other kids of 14/15. i think the laws should reflect that, as they apparently do in many countries, whilst also making it a more serious offence when the age gap is bigger.

 

[Ranbay]

just to be clear.

The last line of my post was refering to Bowie et al, not you.

I don't think their is much wrong with kids of 16/17 wanting to shag other kids of 14/15. i think the laws should reflect that, as they apparently do in many countries, whilst also making it a more serious offence when the age gap is bigger.

 

[LiamO]

No but if he was unaware the person was underage it would be a mitigating factor.

I Lost My Virginity to David Bowie

 

[Thora]

No but if he was unaware the person was underage it would be a mitigating factor.

We are talking about a 13 year old

 

[DotCommunist]

I didn't know bowie was dead

I didn't know he was a nonce

this is an awfl start to the day. Almost as bad as Rolf

 

[Thora]

I don't think what Bowie did is quite the same as say, Polanski - even if Bowie did give her drugs and alcohol it seems to have been consensual and the woman feels ok about it. But also being a good musician shouldn't give you a free pass.

 

[8den]

I Lost My Virginity to David Bowie

Okay can you show me were in that account Bowie was aware she was 15?

 

[bi0boy]

I don't think what Bowie did is quite the same as say, Polanski - even if Bowie did give her drugs and alcohol it seems to have been consensual and the woman feels ok about it. But also being a good musician shouldn't give you a free pass.

Can sex between an adult man and a 13-year old girl be consensual?

 

[Thora]

Can sex between an adult man and a 13-year old girl be consensual?

Legally I believe it can. Under 13 and it is rape.

 

[treelover]

t went further then that. He adopted a neo-nazis persona that made public statements, eulogising Hitler and calling for a right-wing coup in Britain, during a period of racial tension.

I didn't know he had called for a right wing coup, not sure how many of his acolytes would have joined him, not least they would have been amongst its first victims.

 

[LiamO]

We are talking about a 13 year old

in the quote I posted she insinuates, but does not outright claim, that she had turned 15 at the time. Given that her post-Bowie attachment with Jimmy Page is widely acknowledged to have taken place when she was 14 years old, I don't find that credible.

She is just attempting to give Bowie a fig-leaf of decency.

 

[Orang Utan]

Interesting interview here:
David Bowie – Playboy Magazine – The Uncool - The Official Site for Everything Cameron Crowe

 

[emanymton]

No but if he was unaware the person was underage it would be a mitigating factor.

Christ, seriously? The adult has responsibility not the child.

 

[eoin_k]

I didn't know he had called for a right wing coup, not sure how many of his acolytes would have joined him, not least they would have been amongst its first victims.

Probably not the best choice of words on my part, this is the sort of thing I was referring to:

I'd love to enter politics. I will one day. I'd adore to be Prime Minister. And, yes, I believe very strongly in fascism. The only way we can speed up the sort of liberalism that's hanging foul in the air at the moment of a right-wing, totally dictatorial tyranny and get it over as fast as possible. People have always responded with greater efficiency under a regimental leadership. A liberal wastes time saying, "Well, now, what ideas have you got?" Show them what to do, for God's sake. If you don't, nothing will get done. I can't stand people just hanging about. Television is the most fascist, too. Adolf Hitler was one of the first rock stars.

 

[Spymaster]

I Lost My Virginity to David Bowie

Yuck.

 

[8den]

Christ, seriously? The adult has responsibility not the child.

And if the adult isn't aware the other party is a child?

Did you get proof of age from every one of your sexual partners before you shagged?

 

[Spymaster]

in the quote I posted she insinuates, but does not outright claim, that she had turned 15 at the time.

In that article she says she had not turned 15 at the time.

 

[Thora]

And if the adult isn't aware the other party is a child?

Did you get proof of age from every one of your sexual partners before you shagged?

This often seems to be brought up in trials of men having sex with very young girls - "she looked older", "she was dressed like a slapper", "she wasn't even a virgin" - and those defences are ripped apart on sites like this.

 

[Thora]

In that article she says she had not turned 15 at the time.

I read an article earlier by her saying she lost her virginity to DB and then later dated Jimmy Page when she was 14, so 15 doesn't make sense.

 

[LiamO]

This is an interesting article from somebody on the inside. Can't imagine the reaction if this had been written by a bloke.

Predatory Teenage Girls

 

[SpackleFrog]

No but if he was unaware the person was underage it would be a mitigating factor.

But he was. And if you've seen the evidence you'll know he was. And if you haven't, why are you talking about it?

Your's is the darkest and most unpleasant comment I've read on this not particularly pleasant thread. Think before you post.

Haven't seen the RIP thread. Love Bowie's music, not a fan of the noncery. Same with Woody Allen's films. Also like the Beatles, doesn't mean I have to make apologies for wife beaters. Big fan of Chuck Berry, never been known to defend secretly filming women urinating. Can we all please just remember that even if they thought they were having the most amazing time, these were two (not one, people who've suggested it was only one) girls aged 12/13 who (because of night shifts - read VULNERABLE CHILDREN) had no one to keep an eye on them of an evening, who were given large quantities of drugs, and who were quite literally passed around by people like Bowie and Jimmy Page. Yeah, maybe they enjoyed it, maybe many of us would have enjoyed similar scenarios. That's not the point though - the point is the likes of Bowie and Page enjoyed it. That's messed up.

Can everyone please remember that? It's not a lot to ask.

 

[LiamO]

In that article she says she had not turned 15 at the time.

Yes. And then says she actually had sex with Bowie some 6 months later. hence my post

in the quote I posted she insinuates, but does not outright claim, that she had turned 15 at the time.

 

[DotCommunist]

LiamO is not one of my favourite people, but his point here is indisputable.

And I don't think he was wrong to make that point on the RIP thread either. Bowie may have been a great artist, but he was also only a man - a man who made some great art but also did some unforgivable things.

I first heard the stories about him circa 2005. At the time I wrote it off, partly because it seemed inconsistent with the lyrics of things like "Rock n' roll suicide". The line from that song "I'll help you with the pain" seemed to imply a capacity for empathy which a sexual predator could not (I assumed) possess. Well, I'm not able to write it off any longer, am I? Nor am I able to avoid the conclusion that the established facts undermine the credibility of his art.

jean jeanie is forver tainted thats for fucking sure. Jesus man, why can't people I like be blameless and upstanding

His music was shit anyway (as well as him being a nonce)

not true, he had some belters