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Yep, posted it a few days ago. That is bad bad news for the tories - as is todays 10 point lead for labour. (CON 31%, LAB 41%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 12%)
 
I thought Ashcroft managed to put a very optimistic spin on it in his introductory piece but you could tell he was in some distress.

(How much is the discharge grant now btw :D )

Hence the "free" press' attempted 'Kinnockisation" of Miliband and trashing of the 'kipperloons.

Desperate measures.
 
This morning’s YouGov poll for the Sun has topline figures of:-

CON 31%, LAB 41%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 12%.

There was a rather ambiguous six point lead yesterday, something that was equally compatible with a continuing boost, or with the boost fading away. Today’s ten point lead is much clearer, showing Labour continuing to benefit from their conference – or perhaps, from a reaction towards the personalised attack on Ed Miliband’s father by the Mail.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8193

That tory bounce?:D
 
Some interesting polling and analysis fron YouGov's Anthony showing "it's (not just) the economy, stupid".

In today’s Times poll they asked the question in a bit more detailthe economy, after all, isn’t just a blob, it encompasses all sorts of things like jobs, inflation, interest rates, growth and so on. The question wasn’t quite the same as the trackers above (the Times version was a forced choice between a Cameron-led Tory government and a Miliband-led Labour one, whereas the regular trackers give Lib Dems and “other” as options) but it does show us the parties different strengths and the clear battle lines where they’ll seek to fight the economic argument at the next election.

Labour & Ed Miliband actually have a 8 point lead over the Conservatives & Cameron if you ask specifically about providing jobs, a 6 point lead on keeping prices down and a 9 point lead on improving living standards. However, Cameron and the Conservatives have stronger leads in thier better areas – on helping people onto the housing ladder they lead by 11 points, on tackling the deficit they lead by 22 points and the general management of the economy they lead by 15 points.

There is an obvious conclusion here – on perceptions of general economic competence and ability to manage the economy well the Conservatives have a significant and growing advantage. However, on standards of living and keeping down prices Labour are ahead. Recent announcements by the government on things like rail fares are an obvious attempt to try and counter that, but there will also be a battle to control the debate and the narrative, from the Conservatives to make the economic argument at the next election about economic competence and management, from Labour to make it about the cost of living.

Showing us, if we needed showing (?), the shape of the respective election campaigns.
 
Very interesting -- if Labour manage to be smart enough at concentrating on specifics about jobs, living standards, etc ie a campaign centred in their stronger areas, then those who assume that the Tories will kill them on 'the economy' might have to rethink.
 
Labour have a lead of 1 in todays yougov - could be an outlier obviously, but it does look like a pattern of the lead closing to me. Any thoughts what's going on? I haven't noticed any wildly popular policies from the Tories lately, nor labour fucking up, so it's baffling me a bit...
 
Happened a month or so back as well and two days later it was back at ten. I think when you follow the trend at yg rather than individual polls that there has been a slight tightening of the lead to five or six from eight or nine, but at the same time the other pollsters who were showing things much more closely have firmed up on a labour lead pretty much the same as the yg trend.
 
Today's TNS BRMB:-

TNS BMRB have a new poll out today. Topline figures are:-

CON 34% (+5), LAB 36% (-3), LD 9%(nc), UKIP 13%(-1).

These are particularly unusual figures, TNS normally show some of the biggest Labour leads of any company, and for the last six months or so have been pretty consistent in showing Labour leads up around ten points. Suddenly we have a big narrowing of the Labour lead, dropping right down to 2 points, the lowest I have from TNS since November 2011. Even withstanding the small lead in YouGov’s poll this morning, I’d treat any poll showing such a big movement with no obvious cause with some caution, I suspect the next TNS poll will show things reverting to rather more usual figures.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8250
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8250

Unusual figures they may be, according to YG's Anthony, but I wouldn't mind betting that the eventual poll narrowing at the 'real deal' (2015 GE) produces something pretty close to this set. Fed in the 'Electoral Calculus' it produces a very small Lab majority of 20.

I think that might be my prediction?
 
Still a lot of time between then and now though brogdale. All sorts could happen. If the economic news stays relatively good all the way to 2015 (it probably won't) and if the Tories avoid scandal, catastrophe and in-fighting (they can't) then the results will probably be close just like the TNS poll. 34% would be a good showing for Cameron all things considered, what with UKIP and the Lib Dem collapse.

But there's plenty to go wrong before then. I don't think the economic growth we've got at the moment is particularly strong or that there's any guarentee that it'll last through 2015. The world economy still in a very unstable condition, the situation in Europe is bleak, I mean the US is right now only a few days away from default. There's all sorts of risks and stumbling blocks to navigate until 2015. Let's see if the Coulson trial and all that stuff makes an discernable impct on the polls, amongst others.
 
The latter two polls are displaying 4-way patterns of support that could start to see some Westminster representation for the 'kippers.

Interesting stuff here.
Rather worrying as the Lib Dems can't be relied on not to support the Conservatives now. The very real possibility that even if the Red Tories get in we may still in fact be run by the Cuntservatives and parties to the right of them.
 
Today's TNS BRMB:-


Unusual figures they may be, according to YG's Anthony, but I wouldn't mind betting that the eventual poll narrowing at the 'real deal' (2015 GE) produces something pretty close to this set. Fed in the 'Electoral Calculus' it produces a very small Lab majority of 20.

I think that might be my prediction?
Still a lot of time between then and now though brogdale. All sorts could happen. If the economic news stays relatively good all the way to 2015 (it probably won't) and if the Tories avoid scandal, catastrophe and in-fighting (they can't) then the results will probably be close just like the TNS poll. 34% would be a good showing for Cameron all things considered, what with UKIP and the Lib Dem collapse.

But there's plenty to go wrong before then. I don't think the economic growth we've got at the moment is particularly strong or that there's any guarentee that it'll last through 2015. The world economy still in a very unstable condition, the situation in Europe is bleak, I mean the US is right now only a few days away from default. There's all sorts of risks and stumbling blocks to navigate until 2015. Let's see if the Coulson trial and all that stuff makes an discernable impct on the polls, amongst others.

Oh yeah, accept all of that, but a prediction is just that. If I was a betting man, (which I'm not - Father was addicted:(), those are pretty much the numbers I'd back right now.

Given what you say about all the external threats to the economy, I still think that we can see the determination with which the tory scum are engineering a "recovery" simply by looking at the desperation with which they're inflating the housing bubble. Sure the NI trials stuff will produce 'froth' and noise, but I'm pretty sure that the consistent lead the tories have held in polling about economic competence will basically hold firm. So I predict that their 2010 37% will only be knocked back a few % points. Clearly they were close to 'core' with that share of the vote, (what with the Clegg effect and all that), and I think that, even given all the nasty shit they're up to, 34% will still schlep out to vote for them.

I actually think it will be very hard for Miliband to move the 2010 Labour share of 30% much higher than 35/36%. The weak polling of the leader and the key economic competence will limit their gains.

The LD's 2010 24% of national share of the popular vote will obviously be destroyed (although they might just get a little more than 9%?), but their seats tally will still probably be 20 or just over.

Lastly the 'kippers. Putting them on 13% is, I think, more realistic than some of the very high figures of 20% produced mid-term etc. It would still be a huge event for UK politics, and condemn the tories to opposition.

Would, of course, all produce a weak, fragile Lab majority administration.

Just a prediction, that's all. But if in May 2015 that pans out I will be crowing and reminding folks they heard it here first!;)
 
Oh yeah, accept all of that, but a prediction is just that. If I was a betting man, (which I'm not - Father was addicted:(), those are pretty much the numbers I'd back right now.

Given what you say about all the external threats to the economy, I still think that we can see the determination with which the tory scum are engineering a "recovery" simply by looking at the desperation with which they're inflating the housing bubble. Sure the NI trials stuff will produce 'froth' and noise, but I'm pretty sure that the consistent lead the tories have held in polling about economic competence will basically hold firm. So I predict that their 2010 37% will only be knocked back a few % points. Clearly they were close to 'core' with that share of the vote, (what with the Clegg effect and all that), and I think that, even given all the nasty shit they're up to, 34% will still schlep out to vote for them.

I'd be interested to see how much the economic competence stat has varied tbh. It's pretty normal that people think the party of big business are better at managing the economy (because if you put it in those terms, they are better at it). I don't see how the Tories are going to illustrate to most people that their supposed "economic competence" is going to make them better off - especially when Labour are going to able to point to a sustained month on month drop in living standards which shows no sign of abating.
 
I don't see how the Tories are going to illustrate to most people that their supposed "economic competence" is going to make them better off - especially when Labour are going to able to point to a sustained month on month drop in living standards which shows no sign of abating.

I don't think they are, easily; that's why the house-price bubble with the potential for MEW again is so important to them. Of course the main tactic will be the old "Yes, things are tough, but just imagine how bad they'd be under...":rolleyes:
 
I don't think they are, easily; that's why the house-price bubble with the potential for MEW again is so important to them. Of course the main tactic will be the old "Yes, things are tough, but just imagine how bad they'd be under...":rolleyes:

Not sure rising house prices is as much of a vote winner as the Tories think. Even people who own houses don't constantly check their value (unless they're weird). Unless you're selling it's not going to compensate for the value of wages going down...
 
Posted in the Labour losing thread, but I'll bung it in here as well:-

YouGov's recent London polling demonstrates many of the trends that Butchers mentions...have a look at the cross-breaks to see just how little of their 2010 support the LDs are holding in the capital. Also note where it is going. Also clear evidence of the UKIP damage to the tories, (5 X that from Labour voters).

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34% of 2010 LDs still intend to vote LD -- that's a hell of a loss. And Con/Lab are leaking virtually nothing to LD either.

Labour vote is holding up amongst the ABC1s too, which is interesting. And UKIP is virtually identical between social demographics. But UKIP are definitely the old peoples' party.
 
I'd be interested to see how much the economic competence stat has varied tbh. It's pretty normal that people think the party of big business are better at managing the economy (because if you put it in those terms, they are better at it). I don't see how the Tories are going to illustrate to most people that their supposed "economic competence" is going to make them better off - especially when Labour are going to able to point to a sustained month on month drop in living standards which shows no sign of abating.
Was some interesting polling recently on this - on how people translated a belief in tory economic competence into how it effected them and their lifes. Turns out that a belief in tory economic efficiency actually means that you think labour are better for you financially in the terms that people tend to vote on rather then the big-picture stuff they pretend to. Hang on an i'll find it.
 
Was some interesting polling recently on this - on how people translated a belief in tory economic competence into how it effected them and their lifes. Turns out that a belief in tory economic efficiency actually means that you think labour are better for you financially in the terms that people tend to vote on rather then the big-picture stuff they pretend to. Hang on an i'll find it.
Were you thinking of this stuff?
 
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