Political polling

[kabbes]

I find it ironic that the LibDems were so keen on eliminating FPTP and yet that voting system is now the only thing propping them up, thanks to core support in a handful of constituencies.

 

[butchersapron]

This is quite simple isn't it? I would prefer a labour victory whilst recognising that there is no way past this current society by then joining supporting and working for that labour victory. That way leads to shutting down criticisms of labour and then onto arguing against people organising and standing against labour - leaving us right back where we started - in the labour parties pockets. If there's a competition at work between two bosses you might prefer one to the other but you're not going to get actively involved in promoting and working for one to become big boss are you? You're not going to stop criticising in case it makes that boss look bad and mess their plans up are you?

 

[butchersapron]

TNS poll just out:


LAB 33% (+2)
CON 27% (-4)
UKIP 18% (+2)
GREEN 8% (+1)
LD 6% (-2)
OTHER 8% (+1)

Is 27% the lowest tory this parliament? Been a run of sub-30s for them last week.

 

[Mr Moose]

Scorn is too strong a term, but when you've told "all" who post in this thread that you don't believe them and that you know better what they "all" think, what do you expect?

Generally, this thread has been characterised by thoughtful comment and insight about the objective polling evidence of voter intent. and doesn't (IMO) gain from posting that questions the integrity of those contributing to the discussion. If anyone's been "shown up" by your post it's you.

But I didn't attempt to do so. Stop being a big headed prat.

 

[Mr Moose]

I would prefer a Labour win, if I’m honest – I retain a certain amount of tribal loyalty from a childhood spent shoving election leaflets through people’s letterboxes, and if we’ve a choice between two sets of arseholes managing our shafting, I prefer it not to be the Tories who’re doing the shafting. But so what? What relevance does that have to what we’re discussing here?

That's all that was said, your first line. William put in the mild hope that the Labour Party might try harder to achieve it, which was followed by a load of obviousness about how it's all the same.

 

[Mr Moose]

Brogdale, you liked butchers post. How different was that from the last couple of pages?

 

[butchersapron]

But I didn't attempt to do so. Stop being a big headed prat. You liked butchers post which was really expressing the same views - mild hope of Labour victory with much scepticism about the eventual outcome of that victory. As something to build upon.

My post was suggesting that a labour victory is a defeat for those of use who want to get past this society, not as something to build upon.

 

[killer b]

That's all that was said, your first line. William put in the mild hope that the Labour Party might try harder to achieve it, which was followed by a load of obviousness about how it's all the same.

No it wasn't. I was questioning his (and others - yours for example) suggestion that the issue is Labour 'not trying harder', and putting forward some suggestions of my own about why they might choose not to try harder.

 

[killer b]

Actually, I think what started this particular exchange was me wondering whether william's questioning of the poll findings was due to his wish for a Labour victory rather than any concrete doubts he had over the veracity of the results.

I think that's a reasonable thing to question, and I think that his posts since have confirmed it was basically the case.

 

[killer b]

I think a lot of posts on here are similarly coloured by residual (and not so residual) tribal loyalty to the LP - there's still a sense that they're 'our team'. I think that's misguided, even though I feel the pull of it myself - so I think it's worthwhile discussing why it's misguided when I see it.

 

[danny la rouge]

I think a lot of posts on here are similarly coloured by residual (and not so residual) tribal loyalty to the LP - there's still a sense that they're 'our team'. I think that's misguided, even though I feel the pull of it myself - so I think it's worthwhile discussing why it's misguided when I see it.

I'm an ex Labour member. I cast my first vote for Labour. But I'm now quite clear that Labour are the Enemy. Not "needing to try harder", but a faction of the Enemy Class.

They want Greece to honour the debt. They want to rob the poor here and use it to pay for the elite's problems. They are the enemy. That they might (- might) ride us slightly less hard than the Tories is not a good reason to actively support them.

Like I said, they can go fuck themselves.

 

[killer b]

for the record, I believe you've been entirely clear about your view of the LP danny.

 

[brogdale]

But I didn't attempt to do so. Stop being a big headed prat.

I really don't think we're going to agree on this, especially if you're going to resort to that sort of response. Try reading what people post.

 

[brogdale]

Brogdale, you liked butchers post. How different was that from the last couple of pages?

I don't think I could improve to Butchers' succinct response that followed your question.

FWIW, like danny la rouge and killer b I too am an ex-Labour activist...so I do appreciate the cultural, gravitational pull of the party, but I now find it almost impossible to distinguish between the options offered by our representative democracy.

 

[Mr Moose]

Hair splitting the lot of you, the desktop left. 'My desire for a Labour victory is purer than yours'. Puerile.

 

[brogdale]

Hair splitting the lot of you, the desktop left. 'My desire for a Labour victory is purer than yours'. Puerile.

It's customary to post comments regarding a thread discussion in that same thread.

Give me a clue, which discussion do you think you're engaging with?

 

[brogdale]

 

[danny la rouge]

Hair splitting the lot of you, the desktop left. 'My desire for a Labour victory is purer than yours'. Puerile.

I perhaps didn't make myself clear - I don't desire any such thing.

Hth

 

[killer b]

the desktop left.

What does this mean, out of interest? Is it a new twist on armchair anarchist?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

surely laptop left

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm a smartphone smart arse, me.

 

[brogdale]

I perhaps didn't make myself clear - I don't desire any such thing.

Hth

It won't; 'Meldrew' Moose just won't believe it!

You really want Blair to win, don't you? Go on...admit it.

 

[danny la rouge]

It won't; 'Meldrew' Moose just won't believe it!

You really want Blair to win, don't you? Go on...admit it.

I want his babies.

 

[andysays]

I'm a smartphone smart arse, me.

iPad intellectuals

 

[brogdale]

MacBook Makhnovists (Pro)

 

[brogdale]

I want his babies.

 

[killer b]

look at those lips.

 

[killer b]

it seems bizarre and sickening now, but blair was blatantly marketed as a sex symbol. boak.

 

[brogdale]

it seems bizarre and sickening now, but blair was blatantly marketed as a sex symbol. boak.

Please find a new poll or something...anything, but...

 

[killer b]

you're fortunate my rudimentary photoshop skill don't stretch far enough to put tony's face on alan's body. Still, I suppose your imagination can do the work for you?