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Farage was mental not to have announced 20-40 seats at the outset where they could realistically win.

Not sure he could have gotten the momentum with a targeted seats line, it would have looked too much like a gimmick and severely limited takeup. A national push allowed the red-faced hordes to feel broadly involved with something excitingly epic.
 
Some interesting detail in a recent Ashcroft poll about how much individual political stories cut through:

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It’s also notable that the LD support is beginning to crumble to Labour:



The political commentariat always predict the end of two party politics (and to be fair it is now 3 with the SNP) citing polls, euro elections, local govt and by-elections as evidence. But at the General Election this type of narrowing always happens


Where are the remaining 7% in that poll? SNP/NI parties/UKIP?
 
ComRes suggesting the drift back to the two main parties continues.

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SNP 4%, Others 1% - making 101% because of rounding up/down to the nearest percentage point.
 
ComRes suggesting the drift back to the two main parties continues.

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SNP 4%, Others 1% - making 101% because of rounding up/down to the nearest percentage point.
Yeah, the Britain Elects tracker poll (of polls) [updated to this Tuesday] is *beginning* to show the 'normal' convergence expected during a GE campaign:

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ComRes suggesting the drift back to the two main parties continues.

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SNP 4%, Others 1% - making 101% because of rounding up/down to the nearest percentage point.

Lib dems slipping away again as reality hits. As remainers become to realise that in most cases a vote for Jo Swinson's Lib Dems is a vote for a tory hard brexit. Its pretty mad the lib dems didn't see this coming and actually thought they could compete in these seats. It didn't take long for their hubris and arrogance to reappear. I agree with Nick!
 
The Guardian has just posted this from John Curtice...

hances of Labour majority 'as close to zero as it is possible to be', says John Curtice
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Peter Walker

We have received a briefing from the monarch of UK psephologists, Prof Sir John Curtice of Strathclyde University, about what might happen in the election, and the short version is this: while there are many imponderables in play, it seems a toss-up between a Boris Johnson majority and a hung parliament.

Curtice said it was “pretty much a binary contest” between the two. And what of a Labour majority? The answer will not be welcomed by Jeremy Corbyn:

The chances of a Labour majority are as close to zero as it is possible to be.

He said the issues for Labour included Corbyn’s personal unpopularity with voters (although he also noted that Johnson was “the most unpopular new prime minister in polling history”), and the fact that they had lost both remain and leave votes through a middle-ground approach to Brexit. Cutice said:

Where they have demonstrated Blairite moderation is the one issue on which you shouldn’t demonstrate Blairites moderation, as it won’t get you anywhere.

The current Tory lead of about 10 percentage points would most likely be enough for Boris Johnson, Cutice said.

With a 10-point lead, however you look at it, if that was to transpire in the ballot box it would be highly likely the Conservatives would win a majority of a size that would be sufficient to get the withdrawal treaty through.

But given the likelihood the Tories will lose a “fair chunk” of seats in Scotland and to the Lib Dems, Johnson needed to keep the lead above about six or seven percentage points:

If it get below that, the odds are beginning to swing in favour of a hung parliament. So be aware: just because the Tories are ahead in the polls, it doesn’t mean to say that Boris is going to get a majority.

The key battle in northern Tory target seats, he said, would be for the Conservatives to hang on to gains made by Theresa May in 2017, and for the Lib Dems to take seats from Labour. Curtice said: “Boris Johnson would love the Liberal Democrats to go up.”

The one exception to the binary end point, he noted, would be the very particular result where the Tories won 320 or so seats, just below a working majority, and the DUP held the balance. With the Northern Irish party wanting neither to support Corbyn or back Johnson’s Brexit deal, this could bring a new deadlock.
 
I always see people complaining that C2DE is not actually analogous to 'working class' as it takes in a huge number of pensioners which heavily favour the tories and skew the results - but it doesn't seem to be a totally uncontroversial complaint and I'm not sure how true this is - anyone got a definitive answer on this?
 
I always see people complaining that C2DE is not actually analogous to 'working class' as it takes in a huge number of pensioners which heavily favour the tories and skew the results - but it doesn't seem to be a totally uncontroversial complaint and I'm not sure how true this is - anyone got a definitive answer on this?

According to the link below, it applies to "every Household Reference Persons (HRP) aged 16 to 64", so doesn't include pensioners.

Social Grade A, B, C1, C2, D, E - UK Geographics
 
I mean it isn't great whatever, but it's not the tory party doing drives to get working class voters registered - in fact they've spent a lot of energy recently trying to disenfranchise them.
 
The left always respond to surveys of the working class that highlight declining support for the Labour Party by stating that the definition of working class is wrong.

There is no doubt that the old classifications are outdated. The seven class model adopted by Mike Savage certainly defines the current structure of the UK economy better: Social Class in the 21st Century by Mike Savage review – the emotional effect of class

But whichever way you classify it the fact remains - Labour is losing working class support.

On the latest figures the link between Brexit and the dwindling support for Labour (and increasing support for the Tories) couldn't be more stark. But I think we've all had our say on that issue for now.
 
The left always respond to surveys of the working class that highlight declining support for the Labour Party by stating that the definition of working class is wrong.

There is no doubt that the old classifications are outdated. The seven class model adopted by Mike Savage certainly defines the current structure of the UK economy better: Social Class in the 21st Century by Mike Savage review – the emotional effect of class

But whichever way you classify it the fact remains - Labour is losing working class support.

On the latest figures the link between Brexit and the dwindling support for Labour (and increasing support for the Tories) couldn't be more stark. But I think we've all had our say on that issue for now.
I have absolutely no doubt that labour support is declining amongst working class and have posted a fair bit about the slow divorce between LP and its working class constituency. But that's a different thing to voting tory, most of the people I know won't vote tory, they just won't vote.
 
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