Political polling

[Serge Forward]

How was it ever likely to get better with Starmer's new Tories?

 

[brogdale]

People are so fickle. What their lives didn't get immediately better 6 months after Labour were elected after 14 years of Tory austerity, Brexshit, and running public services into the ground. No shit.

I dunno, I think it's a bit harsh to cast the electorate as fickle; the very basis of the party system of Parliamentary 'democracy' is founded on the ability to change support. Most people are smart enough to know that the tory damage can't be undone in months, but I'm sure that the polling support for the new government would have held firmer if people had detected any actual determination to make people's lives any better. You'd have to be pretty politically illiterate not to see that the Starmer regime means nothing but a continuation of what has gone before.

 

[prunus]

People are so fickle. What their lives didn't get immediately better 6 months after Labour were elected after 14 years of Tory austerity, Brexshit, and running public services into the ground. No shit.

For me it’s not like that. It’s not what they haven’t done in 6 months, it’s what they have.

I am extremely fortunate in that I don’t need to vote to make my life (directly) better; I vote to (try to…) make life better for those less fortunate (and hence my life indirectly better, because I believe that increasing the sum total of happiness increases happiness for all). The current direction of travel is opposite to that as far as I can see. So I’m out.

Just steepen the fucking income tax curve ffs. We* can afford it, the country can’t afford not to have it.

* Yes I’m outing myself as a higher rate tax payer. No I’m not a rentier or a boss.

 

[PTK]

People are so fickle. What their lives didn't get immediately better 6 months after Labour were elected after 14 years of Tory austerity, Brexshit, and running public services into the ground. No shit.

Continuing to support the crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip.
Abolishing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Guaranteeing that council rents will rise above the rate of inflation every year for the next ten years.
Refusing to abolish the two-child limit on tax credits.

These are some of the reasons that people might be expected to be disappointed by a Labour government.

 

[skyscraper101]

Continuing to support the crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip.
Abolishing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Guaranteeing that council rents will rise above the rate of inflation every year for the next ten years.
Refusing to abolish the two-child limit on tax credits.

These are some of the reasons that people might be expected to be disappointed by a Labour government.

Some people really must've had some high expectations of Labour if they thought any of these things were going to be rectified to their benefit in the short to medium term.

 

[brogdale]

Continuing to support the crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip.
Abolishing the Winter Fuel Allowance.
Guaranteeing that council rents will rise above the rate of inflation every year for the next ten years.
Refusing to abolish the two-child limit on tax credits.

These are some of the reasons that people might be expected to be disappointed by a Labour government.

£3 bus fare as well

 

[The39thStep]

I dunno, I think it's a bit harsh to cast the electorate as fickle; the very basis of the party system of Parliamentary 'democracy' is founded on the ability to change support. Most people are smart enough to know that the tory damage can't be undone in months, but I'm sure that the polling support for the new government would have held firmer if people had detected any actual determination to make people's lives any better. You'd have to be pretty politically illiterate not to see that the Starmer regime means nothing but a continuation of what has gone before.

The whole campaign pledge that delivered what the Guardian called Starmergeddon was ' Change ' . What voters are getting is what a couple of pundits described as a repeat of Enver Hoxha's uplifting message “This year will be harder than last year. However, it will be easier than next year.”

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Some people really must've had some high expectations of Labour if they thought any of these things were going to be rectified to their benefit in the short to medium term.

On the whole they didn't though did they. 'Fickle' kind of assumes people wanted Labour at the election and have since changed their mind. That probably applies to some but the fact is that even at the election most people didn't want them. It's not surprising they're polling badly because they started from such a low base.

 

[PTK]

Some people really must've had some high expectations of Labour if they thought any of these things were going to be rectified to their benefit in the short to medium term.

I think that you misunderstand.
The Starmer government has not "failed to rectify" council rent increases and the abolition of the Winter Fuel Allowance. It has IMPLEMENTED them. It has not failed to "rectify" UK complicity in crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, it has actively continued it.

 

[PTK]

£3 bus fare as well

Yes, I forgot that. An example of where Sunak was to the left of Starmer.

 

[PTK]

Oh, yes, then of course there is the whole bashing people on social security rhetoric.

 

[skyscraper101]

I think that you misunderstand.
The Starmer government has not "failed to rectify" council rent increases and the abolition of the Winter Fuel Allowance. It has IMPLEMENTED them. It has not failed to "rectify" UK complicity in crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip, it has actively continued it.

By rectify I mean change for the better. I don't see they've done this in any of those examples whether by implementing change or continuing the policies of the previous govenment.

 

[Chz]

Yes, I forgot that. An example of where Sunak was to the left of Starmer.

Not really, it would have ended Dec.31st under his plans.

 

[Brownlow]

Some people really must've had some high expectations of Labour if they thought any of these things were going to be rectified to their benefit in the short to medium term.

They're proposing more of the same neoliberalism that got us here, so nothing will be rectified over any term. Some people thought they'd change their tune, once in govt, but they've doubled down on it.

 

[PTK]

Oh, yeah, I have just remembered another one: de-regulate banks. Remove at least some of the regulations put in place after the Crash of 2008.

 

[PTK]

Then there is the sickening flattering of Donald Trump. Lammy telling us of Trump's fine qualities, and Mandelson doing likewise.