Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
It'd be a bit cruel to deny them their only reason for existing though.
People's Alliance of the Left (Announced 20/01/22)
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Have the swappies not taken over yet?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
give them time.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
It'd be interesting to see. I'm not sure they have the strength (or the energy, their last significant student cohort must be in their 40s by now) to do that anymore.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Significantly more than that as TUSC is essentially the Socialist Party. They must still be over 1,000 even after the various splits I would have thought.
I would be interested to know what particular lessons they need to learn.
It is the case that previous attempts to seriously orientate towards a 'local focus and presence' were widely overlooked, or even attacked, by 'the left'. There is also absolutely nothing - in the history of the SP or Left Unity - that indicates that they have learnt any lessons from that or are proposing a different approach. But, I would be interested to know what Urban thinks they should be doing instead. Joining the Labour Party? Giving up? Joining the SWP?
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
isn't that one option not two?
Hmm, well both of them allow people to sit on their arse doing nothing and/or impotently critique the efforts of others.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
'Peoples' comes with a shit load of baggage as well.
Other than those two words, and maybe 'alliance' as well, great name.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
One is slightly cheaper though.
Riklet
procrastinación
Firstly, stop talking to "the left" and start talking to real people for one! That doesnt rule out political activity in any form. But right now personally I think more workplace and community agitation would be good, and a rethinking of left tactics and strategies in the face of covid.
Secondly.. look at populist left success in places like Chile. Or even Portugal. Or closer to home... the successes of the Preston model.
Finally, get a proper fucking name and marketing campaign. Alt right in Portugal have a new party called "Chega" which means "Arrives" or "it will arrive/get there". I will get back to you with some awesome English names after a think but I dont think they should be afraid of something new, and should absolutely avoid use of the words "united" and "left".
ska invita
back on the other side
aye
What is PAL?
PAL is an alliance of a number of left parties and organisations. Any group who agrees the Memorandum of Understanding (see below) can apply to join PAL. Groups that have so far agreed it are Left Unity, Breakthrough Party, Northern Independence Party, and the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition (TUSC). Its purpose is to network and foster collaboration and joint working, discussion and policy development between left organisations; ultimately to support the election of a socialist government. Other groups have been involved in discussions but have not fully signed up yet, further details will be added later.PAL does not have individual members nor is it an electoral party. People wishing to get involved will be directed to the member groups/parties to consider joining whichever of them, if any, suits them best.
Separately from PAL, but not as a function of PAL, those parties that stand in elections (Breakthrough, NIP, TUSC, Left Unity) will seek to cooperate over standing in elections – i.e. aim to avoid standing against each other & offer mutual support to each other’s candidates where possible. Candidates will stand as candidates of the constituent party (not PAL itself). This electoral cooperation does not imply electoral support from any organisations involved in the wider PAL coordination discussions who are not electoral parties.
PAL Memorandum of Understanding
• PAL stands for equality and justice. It is socialist, feminist, environmentalist, internationalist, anti-racist and against all forms of discrimination including (but not exclusively) discrimination against: women; black and ethnic minority people; the working class; political, religious, or philosophical belief; disabled people; and LGBTQI+ people. We oppose antisemitism and Islamophobia wherever they arise.• PAL supports a massive social and political transformation to avert climate catastrophe, environmental degradation, mass extinction, global poverty, hunger, and hyper-exploitation
• PAL is internationalist. We stand for peace and equality between peoples. We oppose the exploitation of other countries for economic gain, and we oppose imperialist intervention, whether, military, political or economic. We stand in solidarity with the Palestinian people in their struggle against oppression and dispossession.
• PAL opposes all laws which make people illegal because of who they are, where they or their parents were born, the colour of their skin or what language they speak. We oppose deportations and welcome and stand in solidarity with people fleeing war, oppression, and poverty.
• PAL supports trade unions, co-operatives and other community-based groups who are fighting for ordinary people up and down the country.
PAL aims to:
• Secure a socialist government.
• Secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.
• Oppose all austerity-driven cuts and closures to public sector, jobs, pay and conditions at the levels of national governments, regional, and local authorities. We reject the claim that ‘some cuts’ are necessary to our services or that the Covid crisis is a reason for austerity.
• Oppose the privatisation of, or the transfer of existing public services, land or property to private ownership, or to social enterprises or ‘arms-length’ management organisations which are the first steps to their privatisation.
• Reverse privatisation of the NHS, restoring it to a fully public service funded by General Taxation and under democratic control, free at the point of use to any according to clinical need from the cradle to the grave.
We would encourage anyone enthused by this initiative to join us and get involved. You can join us here.
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i presume the plan is not just not stand against each other but move towards a new formation over time
Is it a rerun of the Socialist Alliance? In which case the Swappies will strangle it at birth.
I believe they may still connect through the United Socialist Brotherhood.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
And the Humanist Democratic Movement International.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
i thought that had split, so there's now United Socialist Brotherhood - Anarchist (and you're never sure which way they will go at any time), United Socialist Brotherhood - Communist and a few Mini grouplets
I can't keep up. I stand corrected.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
They had more members than that in Liverpool when I "read the paper and agreed with some of the ideas in it". You can see why PAL is a necessity rather than a strategy...
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Effortlessly dwarfing the Lib Dems, then?
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