people who voted tory

[nino_savatte]

I was very angry on Friday with the people who voted conservative. But this is just a knee jerk reaction tbh. As someone else posted on here, do we really write off a quarter/a third of the population as being cunts especially since labour is pretty much equally pro austerity? I was gonna ask what can 'we' do to 'win these people over' but then that seems massively patronising.

What do we do from here though? Is electoral politics a total waste of time? Anyone got any ideas?

I had exactly the same feeling on Friday as I did in 1992.

 

[mk12]

We have had a very biased media this last five years, especially on the BBC, I suspect they don't know the depth of suffering a number of people are going through. It is only discussed on social media, and if you are not looking, you won't find it.

The media is and always will be biased. So is social media, by the way. People don't vote Tory or UKIP because of what the Daily Mail say, or because they watch Benefits Street. It's far more complicated than that.

 

[Pickman's model]

I had exactly the same feeling on Friday as I did in 1992.

yeh but back in 1992 we could still look foward to partying like it was 1999.

 

[YouSir]

yeh but back in 1992 we could still look foward to partying like it was 1999.

Hold out 'til 2099?

 

[Pickman's model]

Hold out 'til 2099?

not sure how many of us will be left

we'll have to imagine partying in the cold on a former mountain top now an island poking out above the sea

 

[YouSir]

not sure how many of us will be left

we'll have to imagine partying in the cold on a former mountain top now an island poking out above the sea

Work hard for the next 84 years though and on the plus side it might not be a Tory mountaintop. Bet there'll be someone up there trying to flog you their paper though.

 

[ska invita]

I really recommend people watching the video of the tories in the north east too.

this one was interesting, from 'middle engalnd', key swing seat
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...015-scottish-get-in-with-labour-were-done-for

...people genuinely angry about the possibility of the SNP doing one over 'the English' -< which also explains why Milliband worked so hard to distance himself from any SNP coalition possibilities.

 

[Casually Red]

this one was interesting, from 'middle engalnd', key swing seat
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...015-scottish-get-in-with-labour-were-done-for

...people genuinely angry about the possibility of the SNP doing one over 'the English' -< which also explains why Milliband worked so hard to distance himself from any SNP coalition possibilities.

I'm starting to think we are seeing England wanting to get rid of the Scottish rather than vice versa

 

[SpineyNorman]

This is probably the best thread for this.

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

 

[ska invita]

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

i think the election result brings everything into relief and we'll see more of a fightback than the last term

 

[YouSir]

This is probably the best thread for this.

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

Pretty much every episode of Lovejoy is available on YouTube.

 

[Pickman's model]

Pretty much every episode of Lovejoy is available on YouTube.

deadwood's better than lovejoy

 

[YouSir]

deadwood's better than lovejoy

No doubt, but Lovejoy has its charms and Deadwood isn't on YouTube. Remember, trying to be optimistic here.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

this one was interesting, from 'middle engalnd', key swing seat
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...015-scottish-get-in-with-labour-were-done-for

...people genuinely angry about the possibility of the SNP doing one over 'the English' -< which also explains why Milliband worked so hard to distance himself from any SNP coalition possibilities.

I would be a little suspicious of that. You can use judiciously edited vox pops to make virtually any point you want. He seemed a little pleased with his conclusion, almost as if he had started off with it and designed the video around it.

 

[Pickman's model]

No doubt, but Lovejoy has its charms and Deadwood isn't on YouTube. Remember, trying to be optimistic here.

the only thing to be optimistick about is that boris johnson's but one left-turning truck away from the nether circles of hell.

 

[brogdale]

i think the election result brings everything into relief and we'll see more of a fightback than the last term

I liked the optimism of this post...not necessarily the reality of it.

I regret to say that the best chances of a fightback rest with scenarios in which many people will feel the pain. Until the economy is rocked by some sort of credit crunch sequal, and the asset price boom is dented, I don't see the prospect of broad-based discontent. That said, the news out of Athens suggests that exogenic shock may be nearer than we might suppose.

 

[ska invita]

I would be a little suspicious of that. You can use judiciously edited vox pops to make virtually any point you want. He seemed a little pleased with his conclusion, almost as if he had started off with it and designed the video around it.

i thought that too, but the SNP fear mongering was something the press did go for, and its interesting to see people who actually respond to it ~ especially so as they live in a key swing seat

 

[Pickman's model]

i thought that too, but the SNP fear mongering was something the press did go for, and its interesting to see people who actually respond to it ~ especially so as they live in a key swing seat

i think they could have made everything easier all round by simply standing snp candidates in england, to enable the scottish diaspora to register their support for the snp project.

 

[ska invita]

i think they could have made everything easier all round by simply standing snp candidates in england, to enable the scottish diaspora to register their support for the snp project.

#je suis ecosse

 

[littlebabyjesus]

i thought that too, but the SNP fear mongering was something the press did go for, and its interesting to see people who actually respond to it ~ especially so as they live in a key swing seat

It's certainly interesting to see what they do in marginals - that big poster, for instance. I live in a safe labour seat, and there have been no posters from any party at all around here. All sides consider it a waste of money, no doubt.

 

[seventh bullet]

This is probably the best thread for this.

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

It was LLETSA who put it very well a fair few years ago to some dickhead I can't remember much about except coming out with Tory crap at another place that won't be mentioned (well, it's sort of what he said): 'The earlier struggles of working class people ensured that today you won't be dead at the age of 32 in a puddle of your own piss.'

By the way, when did you finish your degree and how did you do?

 

[Flavour]

reason to be cheerful number two: imminent exposure of quite deep divisions within the tory party via the EU referendum

 

[Casually Red]

This is probably the best thread for this.

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

I think ..perhaps..you've been fighting it sometimes in the wrong way. There's no hope in Westminster . Let's face it too...most of the non parliamentary left is completely shit...often infantile . Everywhere you look there's jazz handing intersectionalists, screaming harpies , vanguardists, trots ., people running about with a big hairy minge on a banner..all sorts of completely failed political projects and assorted oddballs . Absolutely no shortage of irrelevant failures to choose from . I don't think there's any hope within the left " scene" , for the main reason it's little more than a "scene " ...a subculture that tolerates and gives a home to any fucking misfit and weirdo that comes along . Then there was Occupy...then Anonymous...all utter failures . Is there any point in more fads and failures ?

To me what's needed is more of a cultural war starting at the very bottom . Avoid the usual lefties ...and particularly students..like the plague and seek out people you wouldn't normally be dealing with ...church people, pensioners , disabled groups . Many of these people are going to be the worst affected or dealing day to day with the worst affected . Concentrate on local communities, citizens groups , church groups..if there isn't one start one . Go after the local councils , focus on the local media . Engage in single issue local campaigns and score small victories, one after another . Stuff like disabled access and broken streetligts ..the outwardly mundane Leave the dialectics and the fancy theories at the door and just concentrate on human decency versus human indignity .

You need a cultural shift, not this continual to and fro between 2 bunches of Tories with different coloured rosettes . A day to day fight involving participatory democracy for the citizen . Not an opportunity for a bunch of tossers with a big hairy minge on their banner to be pretending to do something worthwhile .

Eta

Just occurred to me you've probably done all this before and I'm stating the obvious like a twat . But it's the stream of consciousness that's upon me .

 

[ska invita]

It's certainly interesting to see what they do in marginals - that big poster, for instance. I live in a safe labour seat, and there have been no posters from any party at all around here. All sides consider it a waste of money, no doubt.

hah! again thought exactly the same about that poster, also live in safe lab seat and also no posters - its a whole other world out there!

 

[treelover]

Garden centre owner's '10% tax for Tory voters' sign goes viral

Matt Woodruff says he stands by anti-Tory views on his shop’s blackboard in Lewes, East Sussex, despite some criticism from customers

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...owners-10-tax-for-tory-voters-sign-goes-viral

Well this is a brave chap,

but maybe not a good businessman.

 

[treelover]

This is probably the best thread for this.

I think that since Thursday I may well have turned into LLETSA. Someone please offer me something to be vaguely optimistic about. The only thing keeping me sane at the moment is the fact that I can get away with bullying the uber cuntish Tory voting labourer at work cos everyone else thinks he's a cunt too. But while that'll keep me going for a week or two it's just not enough - someone please give me something to be vaguely optimistic about. In 2010 it was shit too but there did seem to be the appetite to at least try and fight it (yeah it was mostly futile but there was vague hope) but the feeling I get now is that everyone's either exhausted or has a similar view to me about the prospect of making any difference.

the hundreds of young people outside number 10 only a day after the election

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...owners-10-tax-for-tory-voters-sign-goes-viral

this chap

 

[butchersapron]

Lib-dem MP norman Baker backs the lib-dems voted tory suggestion - but uses it to somehow wag his finger at labour and green voters for not voting lib-dem:

Norman Baker, the former Home Office minister who lost his seat in Lewes, said: "It is clear that up and down the country the seats the Tories won came from the Liberal Democrats and in many cases such as Lewes the Tory vote did not move and therefore the Tories were handed victory by Green and Labour voters no longer prepared to vote Lib Dem.

 

[brogdale]

the hundreds of young people outside number 10 only a day after the election

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...owners-10-tax-for-tory-voters-sign-goes-viral

this chap

That's quite astute business tbh...Lewes town is still stuffed with die-hard LDs.

 

[brogdale]

Lib-dem MP norman Baker backs the lib-dems voted tory suggestion - but uses it to somehow wag his finger at labour and green voters for not voting lib-dem:

Trouble is that Lucas has egged on such delusional narcissism by admitting that she is gutted that the 2800 greens who voted for her party in Lewes sunk Baker.

Baker's share of the vote fell by 16%

 

[xenon]

Until people are affected by inequality most will not give other peoples problems a second thought.
With the media avalanche of how it could all be lost by voting for any party other than the conservatives the vast majority vote for them.
The amount of people who said to me they couldn't trust Miliband, just look how he treat his brother, is another issue that gave the Tories a boost.
Also those who took in the polls that it was neck and neck were panicked into voting Tory. I work with a lot of ex miners and steel workers and the offspring of miners and steelworkers and most of them told me with no uncertainty they were voting Ukip cos Labour didn't care anymore. When I said vote for TUSC then I was told it was a waste of a vote because nobody would notice. Plus I got told to fuck off to Russia by some, that's how on the ball most workers are sadly.

35% of the 65% turn is not a vast majority of people. I