Pandemic personal consequences

[Cloo]

Son seems not to have caught it off friend's brother who tested positive a day or two after he was at said friend's house a week ago.

 

[l'Otters]

It’s hard to believe that if you’re spending more than an hour in a building being the only one wearing a mask that the mask will make any difference to you at all.

Sounds like time to get a better mask.

 

[nogojones]

What's the story in the UK?

Just pretend you don't have it and keep turning up

 

[bellaozzydog]

I was in a busy pub on Friday with two mates. Virtually standing room early. We kept bailing on grabbing seats because it was all a bit non social distanced but the seats kept filling up with strangers literally hip to hip and arse to arse

I’m slightly baffled about it all. Everyone bullet proof and just cracking on

Last week I had to leave work dressed in a white suit, gloves mask and face visor

 

[Badgers]

Not 'personal' exactly but close to home.

Downstairs neighbours kiddie caught Covid at school. Now the parents have it too they let us all know on the block WhatsApp chat.

However they have been out several times and she went to work (radiologist) yesterday ffs

People quibbling over the 'recommended' regulations (mask/space/ventilation) need to buck the fuck up and realise other people do not give a fuck about you and yours.

 

[Aladdin]

I was in a busy pub on Friday with two mates. Virtually standing room early. We kept bailing on grabbing seats because it was all a bit non social distanced but the seats kept filling up with strangers literally hip to hip and arse to arse

I’m slightly baffled about it all. Everyone bullet proof and just cracking on

Last week I had to leave work dressed in a white suit, gloves mask and face visor

Yep
My brother is in the same sort of situation in terms of wearing all the protective gear and ppe. Wears the full white overalls , gloves, masks eye protection and tapes the masks to his face.
He maintains that people are just not wanting to hear the warnings. They think that the vaccine offers them full protection and that they can return to normal..

Was listening to an Italian specialist the other day. He said if this was WW2 we would only be in 1941.
And that negative antigen test results were not 100% proof of being in the clear because the antigen tests were responsive to covid 19 but less so to Delta and delta plus.

I think people are burying their heads in the sand
Some will be lucky enough to not get sick
Others will get sick and recover relatively easily and tell everyone it was just like a flu.
Others will pass this on to people who will die from it.

It's a shite pandemic....if it were an enemy it would be described as clever as fuck..sneaky. lulling victims into a false sense of security, picking off the old and infirm bit by bit while it smiles and befriends others.

 

[cupid_stunt]

My brother is in the same sort of situation in terms of wearing all the protective gear and ppe. Wears the full white overalls , gloves, masks eye protection and tapes the masks to his face.

In case anyone doesn't know, SK's brother is a hospital doctor dealing with covid cases, not dressing like that to pop into a shop.

 

[Aladdin]

In case anyone doesn't know, SK's brother is a hospital doctor dealing with covid cases, not dressing like that to pop into a shop.

Lol...
Ah... I should probably have mentioned that..

 

[Cloo]

I will be so, so pissed off if 'saving Christmas' results in a January-spring lockdown meaning we miss a THIRD Passover in a row with our families.

 

[Pickman's model]

I will be so, so pissed off if 'saving Christmas' results in a January-spring lockdown meaning we miss a THIRD Passover in a row with our families.

we know how well they saved christmas last year. prepare for incoming lockdown as soon as people have bought their xmas food.

 

[Cloo]

we know how well they saved christmas last year. prepare for incoming lockdown as soon as people have bought their xmas food.

This is my suspicion - they will lock down, although probably in some half-arsed way and keeping schools open, after Christmas.

 

[Aladdin]

I'm hoping that lockdown starts around the 9th Dec and stays until 10th January.

 

[Steel Icarus]

No idea why but daughter is downstairs (front room, patio door open) playing the Switch while Mrs SI is in her room tidying it. Not any kind of definition of isolating that I understand. She keeps getting mad at me saying to trust her but also "you can't hold back the tide". But surely I'm allowed a boat or a float. Daughter currently coughing and sneezing all over the Switch which I bet if I go to clean it later will cause another round of fucks

 

[LDC]

Went out Saturday night, just got email from organisers of the event saying someone who was there had a positive lateral flow test and they're awaiting PCR result. I'm away for a few days today as well, will do an LFT before I go.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I've tested negative again. Now to go to work in a car driven by someone whose best colleague/friend currently has Covid. This shit is everywhere and you might think this would have manifested itself in at least some staff members wearing masks, but no. Everyone it seems is just trusting the jab will be enough and acting like anything else is so last year

 

[Steel Icarus]

I feel like screaming.
"We have to learn to live with it, we can't lock down all the time," said the colleague who gives me a lift to work.
Meanwhile 140 people will die today in the UK of this awful virus. How many of those because people can't be arsed to wear a mask or take ANY PRECAUTIONS WHATSOEVER?

 

[LDC]

Well, I just got pinged to book a test due to positive contact mentioned above. No need to self isolate according to rules, and I'm away from home so could actually go about and do whatever while I wait for the test result, which could take a while I guess. Not going to do that, will cancel plans for next 2 days and go home.

 

[LDC]

Annoying though, first time been pinged in the whole thing.

 

[kabbes]

Meanwhile 140 people will die today in the UK of this awful virus. How many of those because people can't be arsed to wear a mask or take ANY PRECAUTIONS WHATSOEVER?

Well, based on September rates of vaccination, at least 30 of them won't have had their two doses, which (except for the rare cases where people can't be vaccinated) I would certainly interpret as either not taking any precautions whatsoever (no jabs) or not being arsed to take full precautions (only one jab). By now, with vaccination rates being higher, I would expect that it's more than 30, though.

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

If you normalise for age-adjusted risk, the odds of dying are about 32 times higher for the unvaccinated as compared with the vaccinated.

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Weekly age-standardised mortality rates and age-specific rates for deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status; deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021 in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

 

[Sue]

Covid patients in ICU now almost all unvaccinated, says Oxford scientist

Prof Sir Andrew Pollard says most of those infected who are fully vaccinated will experience only mild symptoms

www.theguardian.com

 

[Steel Icarus]

Well, based on September rates of vaccination, at least 30 of them won't have had their two doses, which (except for the rare cases where people can't be vaccinated) I would certainly interpret as either not taking any precautions whatsoever (no jabs) or not being arsed to take full precautions (only one jab). By now, with vaccination rates being higher, I would expect that it's more than 30, though.

Deaths by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Age-standardised mortality rates for deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19), non-COVID-19 deaths and all deaths by vaccination status, broken down by age group.

www.ons.gov.uk

If you normalise for age-adjusted risk, the odds of dying are about 32 times higher for the unvaccinated as compared with the vaccinated.

Deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status, England - Office for National Statistics

Weekly age-standardised mortality rates and age-specific rates for deaths involving COVID-19 by vaccination status; deaths occurring between 2 January and 24 September 2021 in England.

www.ons.gov.uk

You can prove anything with facts.

Yeah, there's a disconnect between reality and how I'm feeling, probably tied up with daughter having it and several of my students too. I'm tired of low key worrying, is all.

That said I've just booked tickets for the band Fucked Up in March so you know. Gotta keep livin' or get busy dyin'

 

[elbows]

Covid patients in ICU now almost all unvaccinated, says Oxford scientist

Prof Sir Andrew Pollard says most of those infected who are fully vaccinated will experience only mild symptoms

www.theguardian.com

These sort of comments wind me up SO MUCH these days.

Because look at the actual numbers for hospitalisations and deaths, for example the stuff I posted here: #60

The bullshit is infuriating! I might feel better if people tell me I'm not alone.

I mean seriously, in a 3 week period the figures I mention cover, 1519 deaths of people over 80 who have had 2 doses compared to 181 unvaccinated. In the 70-79 group, 815 double jab deaths and 153 unvaccinated deaths. In 60-69, 373 double jabbed deaths, 151 unvaccinated deaths. It only flips to the other way round by the time we get down to the 40-49 age group (41 vs 44). I expect this to evolve as booster jab effects show up in the data, but even so.

 

[elbows]

And yes, when I draw attention to those numbers it is still vital to look at population rates and personal risk estimates and consider the huge amount of protection the vaccine has offered, the sort of figures others have drawn attention to in this thread recently. The strategy since July would have been utterly impossible without vaccines, we would have had a summer Delta lockdown.

But when it comes to encouraging peole to take it seriously, and describing the pressure on hospitals, the bullshit is so bad! Because according to the numbers for the recent 3 week period, of the people who needed to spend at least one night in hospital, 6233 were double vaccinated and 783 were not vaccinated at all.

Also I prefer to use data for recent weeks rather than totals since the vaccination programme began, because the numbers of people getting infected, the number vaccinated, increasing and waning immunity and the virus itself have changed a lot over the course of 2021.

 

[elbows]

In that case they get away with potentially misleading bullshit because of the following:

“For those of us fortunate enough to have already been vaccinated, the story now seems very different. For most vaccinated individuals, these mild infections are little more than an unpleasant inconvenience.”

But for those who are very frail, immunocompromised or have underlying health conditions, Pollard and Angus said, Covid infections can still be “enough to destabilise them” and cause “serious, life-threatening health problems that add to the pressure on the NHS”.

But I also note that the article cherry picks only a few things from what was actually said by Pollard and Angus elsewhere in the Guardian, completely missing one of their central points.

Getting jabs to the unvaccinated has never been more critical | Andrew Pollard and Brian Angus

With vaccinated people receiving their boosters, the horrors of Covid are now restricted to those who won’t or can’t have a jab, say academics Andrew Pollard and Brian Angus

www.theguardian.com

For example:

In this context, it is shameful that in some low-income countries only 5% of the population have received at least one dose, almost a year since the first licensed dose was given in Britain. The director general of the World Health Organization expressed his deep concern last week that there are now six times more booster doses being administered every day than first doses. We are still not doing enough to end the pandemic for the world’s unvaccinated, and governments and manufacturers urgently need to work together to get doses to those in low-income countries, keeping an eye on the long-term gains of global vaccination, despite the challenges posed by the current Covid spike in Europe.

We need better and cleaner clinical data to understand fully which patients are being admitted to hospital, to improve our assessment of how effective vaccines are at preventing hospital and ICU admission, and to assess who would be most likely to benefit from boosters. It is also important to monitor and assess the duration of the top-up protection afforded by boosters to then inform the best long-term strategy for future control beyond this winter.

We do need better data but in some cases I dont know what difference it would make, given the number of articles that dont acknowledge the data that is already available.

 

[LDC]

Well, I just got pinged to book a test due to positive contact mentioned above. No need to self isolate according to rules, and I'm away from home so could actually go about and do whatever while I wait for the test result, which could take a while I guess. Not going to do that, will cancel plans for next 2 days and go home.

Shittest trip to London ever. Arrive, sleep, wake up to a T&T ping, get PCR, book and get train home cancelling 2 days of things and losing a few booked tickets. Less than 4 hours there and a hundred plus quid pissed away. <Shakes fist at life.>

 

[clicker]

A friend's wife, who I've known for 20+ years, mum of 4, ordinarily someone who could be relied on for level headed opinions and commonsense, has gone full anti vax loon.

I don't do FB, but a mutual friend showed me what she has been posting.
Videos of anti vax speaker (in N Ireland), which consisted of a barely coherent speaker on the street corner, she was holding a microphone and attracted a small crowd. Message being we are all misguided fools and being led by the nose.
Apparently, the need for boosters prove that vaccines don't work and we are just being trained in 'compliance'.

She is proudly declaring herself vaccine free and refusing to let the 2 kids over 12 be jabbed. She has no personal family over there, her husband has a massive family, consisting of elderly, sick and vulnerable.

He's as gob smacked at her stance as everyone else. Her fervour at having discovered the secret of the universe is relentless. I hope the marriage survives, but it isn't looking great.

 

[quimcunx]

A friend whose family are refugees in Kenya says many people won't take the vaccine offered as it is the Chinese one and they don't trust it. They say they would take our one. That said back when he was getting our one in the UK they were warning him not to take it!

 

[LDC]

On my way from the testing centre heading home I heard 2 middle aged men loudly talking at each other about covid conspirary stuff outside a cafe, had to talk myself out of throwing a chair at them.

 

[Johnny Doe]

On my way from the testing centre heading home I heard 2 middle aged men loudly talking at each other about covid conspirary stuff outside a cafe, had to talk myself out of throwing a chair at them.

If you had they would have concluded the vax had sent you batty!

 

[MickiQ]

Mrs Q's Mum comes from Cebu in the Philippines and she still has a few distant relatives who contact her occasionally (usually to try and tap her for money). Apparently the Governor of Cebu has ordered that all public facing workers must wear a personal air purifier (basically a dongle that hangs around the neck). These things are totally ineffective, cost roughly about a week's worth of the average wage and the Governor gets a cut from the manufacturer.