Pandemic personal consequences

[Carvaged]

The most common way of catching is by breathing in droplets, so they do provide some protection to the mask wearer.

Wear Masks To Protect Yourself From The Coronavirus, Not Only Others, CDC Stresses

Does My Mask Protect Me if Nobody Else Is Wearing One?

Masks work best when everyone in the room has one on, but you’ll still benefit from masking up even when those around you aren’t.

www.nytimes.com

Does Wearing a Mask Prevent the Flu?

Learn when masks can help and what other hygiene measures to take for prevention.

www.healthline.com

ETA - And, it's not just about protection against catching it, but also reducing the viral load if you do, thus reducing how bad it will be.

I think the argument is now that via fine aerosol droplets in poorly ventilated rooms is basically the only way Covid is spread in real-world conditions:

Transmission of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 during Border Quarantine and Air Travel, New Zealand (Aotearoa)

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 during Air Travel

wwwnc.cdc.gov

What the world can learn from New Zealand’s Covid-19 bin mystery

In New Zealand, investigators traced an outbreak to a 50-second window of exposure. The case might be a lesson for countries contemplating a future with no Covid-19

www.wired.co.uk

Coronavirus spread on flight, in hotel corridor, New Zealand study finds

The coronavirus spread on an international flight, in a hotel corridor and then to household contacts despite efforts to isolate and quarantine patients, New Zealand researchers reported Thursday.

edition.cnn.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Wearing a mask during a short period I can see being effective. But turning up day after day for full working days into a working environment in which nobody else is wearing a mask? I have no confidence that even an N95 mask is going to make any difference in the long run to that.

Try telling that to staff working in covid wards, where the viral load floating about is going to be far greater than you would find in other working environments.

 

[LDC]

Currently also at work and the other side of the room is someone coughing every few minutes.

 

[Aladdin]

Currently also at work and the other side of the room is someone coughing every few minutes.

I don't get this.

Over here if you have any symptoms you are asked to stay home and get a pcr test.

What's the story in the UK?

 

[Badgers]

I think the argument is now that via fine aerosol droplets in poorly ventilated rooms is basically the only way Covid is spread in real-world conditions:

Walking into an empty office toilet, kitchen or meeting room with no mask on shortly after the last maskless person has gone back to their desk?

 

[Badgers]

I don't get this.

Over here if you have any symptoms you are asked to stay home and get a pcr test.

What's the story in the UK?

It is slightly tricky. All our immune systems are shot so a lot of colds are about. If someone has a mild cold but testing negative should they go to work?

Ideally not but

 

[Carvaged]

Walking into an empty office toilet, kitchen or meeting room with no mask on shortly after the last maskless person has gone back to their desk?

Afaik the viral aerosol droplets are teeny tiny and can last for many hours suspended in the air if there's no ventilation to blow them out or adhere them to a surface/wall/ceiling etc.

 

[LDC]

I don't get this.

Over here if you have any symptoms you are asked to stay home and get a pcr test.

What's the story in the UK?

What is asked of people isn't what everyone is doing. Also what is asked of people can be confusing, and then not always easy to follow, even if people want to. And that's without the people that don't want to. And then there's the thing of people doing the 'right thing' but testing negative but still being ill/coughing with something else.

There's a deeply ingrained work culture and some expectation that people 'battle on' and go to work with colds and coughs. That doesn't vanish overnight (or even in 18 months).

I expect it's the same wherever you are to some extent.

 

[Aladdin]

What is asked of people isn't what everyone is doing. Also what is asked of people can be confusing, and then not always easy to follow, even if people want to. And that's without the people that don't want to. And then there's the thing of people doing the 'right thing' but testing negative but still being ill/coughing with something else.

There's a deeply ingrained work culture and some expectation that people 'battle on' and go to work with colds and coughs. That doesn't vanish overnight (or even in 18 months).

I expect it's the same wherever you are to some extent.

Indeed there WAS that work culture where I worked. But it's all very different now. Anyone with a sniffle is expected to get a test and even if its negative for covid they are pretty much expected to steer clear of colleagues.

The message here though is that the health systen is ready to collapse and anyone sick should stay home and avoid passing on flus and other viruses along with covid

 

[LDC]

Well, the other short answer is the government have completely fucked it up here. Although 'fucked it up' is possibly charitable as I expect some level of knowingly planning for it to be this way, and now happiness for how things are, which is pretty much 'back to normal' for much of business.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Today's personal consequence is a cost of £17.09 and a waste of half hour.

Day 2 LFT test package arrived when promised, just the test and uploaded photo of result etc, and had the result cert pretty much instantly. Obviously, it's a complete farce, they have now evidence at all it was actually me that did the test, and the fact the confirmed result cert came within milliseconds, means it automated and no-one checks it. What would stop someone using an free NHS test to check themselves and if positive, get mate who tests negative on a NHS one to do the paid for test? Nothing at all

 

[Chilli.s]

Today's personal consequence is a cost of £17.09 and a waste of half hour.

Day 2 LFT test package arrived when promised, just the test and uploaded photo of result etc, and had the result cert pretty much instantly. Obviously, it's a complete farce, they have now evidence at all it was actually me that did the test, and the fact the confirmed result cert came within milliseconds, means it automated and no-one checks it. What would stop someone using an free NHS test to check themselves and if positive, get mate who tests negative on a NHS one to do the paid for test? Nothing at all

What with that and the fact that Border Farce or whatever aren't even checking paperwork at airports it's all a case of keeping fingers crossed

 

[Johnny Doe]

What with that and the fact that Border Farce or whatever aren't even checking paperwork at airports it's all a case of keeping fingers crossed

On that front, every time I've flown back into the country, my Passenger Locator Form and Vaccine Proof has been checked at check-in when departing for the UK. I assume you wouldn't make it on the flight, to get to the UK passport check, without it. That said, I know people who have used an old reference for the test references on the PLF, with no issues, so it's clear there's no electonic checing of that

 

[Aladdin]

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[cupid_stunt]

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Wishing her a speedy recovery.

 

[Chilli.s]

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Asthma treatment in hospital is very good and the best place for it due to accurate monitoring. Try not to worry

 

[Aladdin]

Asthma treatment in hospital is very good and the best place for it due to accurate monitoring. Try not to worry

She has been hospitalised before with her asthma.
Just not mid pandemic.

 

[rubbershoes]

She has been hospitalised before with her asthma.
Just not mid pandemic.

Asthma medicine has really come on in the last decade .

 

[Aladdin]

Wishing her a speedy recovery.

She's home.. not covid...phew!!
Bad asthma attack combo with virus but thankfully not covid.
She'll be on steroids for a while.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Great news.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Wearing a mask during a short period I can see being effective. But turning up day after day for full working days into a working environment in which nobody else is wearing a mask? I have no confidence that even an N95 mask is going to make any difference in the long run to that.

Many NHS employees managed it fine

 

[kabbes]

Many NHS employees managed it fine

What, they all were the only one in the building wearing a mask?

 

[William of Walworth]

Masks remain compulsory on buses (also trains) here in Wales/Swansea -- only a smallish minority are not wearing them, and more drivers than not still try and enforce it.

Similar with supermarkets -- Sainsbury's, my usual one, looks as if observance is still pretty good, Lidl's not quite so!

At my (CS) workplace, masks remain strictly enforced, and I'm back to being lateral flow tested every Thursday

 

[Carvaged]

I don't mind wearing a mask outside as it helps my social anxiety to feel more invisible. I'd actually prefer more of a balaclava type thing but that would probably cause more trouble than it's worth.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Masks remain compulsory on buses (also trains) here in Wales/Swansea -- only a smallish minority are not wearing them, and more drivers than not still try and enforce it.

Similar with supermarkets -- Sainsbury's, my usual one, looks as if observance is still pretty good, Lidl's not quite so!

At my (CS) workplace, masks remain strictly enforced, and I'm back to being lateral flow tested every Thursday

Virtually no-one wearing them in a busy soft play centre on Sunday, here in North London

 

[clicker]

Virtually no-one wearing them in a busy soft play centre on Sunday, here in North

22th Dec 2019 I walked into a huge soft play centre in South London. Walked in right as rain, left feeling like I'd been hit by a bus. I remember thinking great , am going to feel rough for Christmas.

Cue 8 weeks of coughing, crackling breathing that was like having an electrified chest ,loss of taste and smell. This was just before Covid was known, but London was like a plague pit already.

In hindsight it was a rainy Sunday, the place was heaving, couldn't see through windows for Covid riddled condensation. Perfect storm.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Hospital want me in for a smoll day operation (routine checkup) on a couple of weeks, have to go in for Covid test few days before.

Bricking it tbh.

 

[Cloo]

Son's school has made the call to not have their end of Year 6 Israel trip in June. We pretty much saw this coming and so did he and he had a little cry because 'I've been looking forward to this half my life'. Israel is being very cautious about travellers, ATM forget if you're over 12 and not double vaxxed so basically British families with older kids can't come in - we don't really go there so not an issue for us but vexatious for some of our friends with older kids and family out there. But school have said given there's no sign of it getting less strict (and why would there be?) they'd rather book an alternative while there's still time - last year's lot went to the Isle of Wight and I guess they may consider Europe for next summer. I think it would be a risk trying to go as if anything gets worse either in Israel or here they're liable to clamp right down - it might be a while before they can run the trip again

gsv said he's prepared to break his vow not to go back to Israel in order to take Ziggy there later next year, also we'll make sure he goes on one of our synagogue youth group trips when he's a bit older, I think they start about age 14, so he doesn't miss out on having a group trip.

 

[Epona]

Well my niece who is under 10 years old has now tested positive for COVID - she has no symptoms and will almost certainly be fine, but has possibly transmitted it to siblings, parents, 2 sets of grandparents, and it looks like I might have to cancel my visit with my parents next week as a result.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Daughter has started feeling poorly and has had a positive LFT. Just been taken off now for a PCR test. We've only just steered The Boy through it ffs