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8ball
Decolonise colons!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's the bog standard mainstream economists view and has been since late 2008
Is that banality really 'going viral'?
audiotech
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That's the bog standard mainstream economists view and has been since late 2008
Yes, understanding that presently in the US and elsewhere, rather than the ideology of "free market capitalism" being the reason behind the crisis, other factors have been blamed, like government, or those who couldn't afford mortgages taking them on.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That deregulation and associated practices was the ideology of free market capitalism in concrete practice.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So was it the practice of free market ideology or not? I'm having trouble making sense of what you're trying to say.
teqniq
DisMembered
As claphamboy says, I know you're not keen on likes, but that's given me a real laugh this morning.
I think the protesters at St Pauls are lucky because the CofE are having to appear all what would Jesus do? for the the sake of their congregations, possibly hoping God will smite them with a cold spell of Daily Mail proportions.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
So how long will this provide protection from Mammon?
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think that will depend on how the fallout from the USA pepper-spraying incident pans out.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The backlash from the USA police violence won't last long. It won't for a moment inhibit the Met or the City of London Police from attacking the tented space.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Ok, maybe you know more about it than me, but if I was the Met I'd be watching what's happening over the pond carefully and avoiding any similat PR foul-ups. You can pick people up and carry them away, put them in the van etc. but enough pictures of the Met pepper-spraying passive resisters in the face would piss off the general public pretty quickly.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The met don't care about people they kill.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
They do care about getting caught, though.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
So you think they would, as an extreme example, shoot a bunch of protesters on camera at the same time that we are seeing similar things happening in Egypt?
TopCat
Putin fanboy
That's a straw man for sure.
They would if told to do so, attack the camp with riot cops armed with pepper spray, batons, dogs and horses in full view of the cameras.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Not really, especially since you've just answered it in such a run-of-the-mill way.
I don't doubt that the footsoldiers would act as you say, but I don't think the senior brass at the Met would go for that at this point if their politician masters suggested such a thing. And the politicians' corporate handlers would be very mindful about how this would play with the focus groups.
I think we'd need some serious escalation and the media machine in full 'anti-evil-rioter' swing for a while before they'd try something like that.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
You are a naive skull waiting for a lick 'o baton. It won't be long.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
And you are a very thick one that doesn't read too good.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
It's interesting that this is happening at a time when the corrupt relationship between the Met and the Murdoch press is under scrutiny of a sort.
I'd argue that the collusion between the Met's PR slime, the smear-job merchants in the press, especially the Murdoch press and the government (any government since the Miners Strike at least) has been crucial in pushing the 'protesters are violent scum and the cops are the good guys' line. The problem is the focus is all on the Murdoch press up to no good and only minimally on the ludicrously unenthusiastic investigation of their misdeeds. Nobody is really asking about the core relationship between the cops and the scummy press, so perfectly illustrated when the woman being beaten up on video by Delroy Smellie withdrew her evidence explicitly for fear of tabloid smears.
I'd argue that the collusion between the Met's PR slime, the smear-job merchants in the press, especially the Murdoch press and the government (any government since the Miners Strike at least) has been crucial in pushing the 'protesters are violent scum and the cops are the good guys' line. The problem is the focus is all on the Murdoch press up to no good and only minimally on the ludicrously unenthusiastic investigation of their misdeeds. Nobody is really asking about the core relationship between the cops and the scummy press, so perfectly illustrated when the woman being beaten up on video by Delroy Smellie withdrew her evidence explicitly for fear of tabloid smears.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think at the moment the BBC's bias concerns me more - people see the Beeb as reputable and "impartial".
TopCat
Putin fanboy
That was my original question you idiot.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Ok, let's go through things at a nice gentle pace.
Why don't you tell me why you think I'm being naive and I can point out where you've got things confused, or perhaps be persuaded by your argument.
hate to butt in, but if anyone involved in the camp could give this a mention that would be fab. its tomorrow and about 5 mins walk from st pauls
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TopCat
Putin fanboy
I think it's naive to think that the police's fear of bad publicity (in the light of the widely reported US police brutality) will give them pause for thought instead of attacking the Occupy London protests when they get an opportunity. It will be messy but they don't care.
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