#occupy London....

[claphamboy]

Nothing will change, the jackboot of democracy will continue to stamp on your face again and again and again.

I'll sadly agree with you on that.

But, it doesn't stop me supporting the occupy movement 100% - at least they are doing something and generating media coverage well beyond what you would expect for the numbers involved, and they are making things uncomfortable for those in power, that can't get their heads around how to deal with the situation.

All good stuff, in my book.

 

[Blagsta]

Don't remember that - where?

here

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threa...to-talk-about-eva.284307/page-5#post-10645946

 

[Dr Dolittle]

What's that got to do with this?

 

[Blagsta]

What's that got to do with this?

You're having a go at others for being middle class.

 

[southside]

I'll sadly agree with you on that.

But, it doesn't stop me supporting the occupy movement 100% - at least they are doing something and generating media coverage well beyond what you would expect for the numbers involved, and they are making things uncomfortable for those in power, that can't get their heads around how to deal with the situation.

All good stuff, in my book.

True!

 

[Dr Dolittle]

You're having a go at others for being middle class.

I'm not. I was just opposing Southside's claim that the Occupy people are unemployable dropouts. And I still don't see what that's got to do with what I said in the immigration thread.

 

[treelover]

Are the Times a' changing? stunning renditition of Masters Of War by Pearl Jam on the Letterman Show

 

[treelover]

Corporate plans to undermine the Occupy Movement
http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.c...ut-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street-video

 

[Blagsta]

I'm not. I was just opposing Southside's claim that the Occupy people are unemployable dropouts. And I still don't see what that's got to do with what I said in the immigration thread.

No, I don't suppose you do.

 

[Dr Dolittle]

To quote from a Talking Heads song:

You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.

 

[Blagsta]

To quote from a Talking Heads song:

You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.

I'll explain then. You posted an anti-working class opinion about wages, one that I associate with middle class business owners/managers.

 

[southside]

To quote from a Talking Heads song:

You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything.

Or as John Wayne would say "Your long on mouth and short on ears"
So, what did you say on the immigration thread?

 

[Dr Dolittle]

Or as John Wayne would say "Your long on mouth and short on ears"
So, what did you say on the immigration thread?

See Blagsta's link above - post 1772.

 

[Dr Dolittle]

I'll explain then. You posted an anti-working class opinion about wages, one that I associate with middle class business owners/managers.

And I have just explained that I am not anti-middle class. Nor am I anti-working class - it's just the way you have interpreted it.

 

[Blagsta]

And I have just explained that I am not anti-middle class. Nor am I anti-working class - it's just the way you have interpreted it.

So why post what you did about wages? That's a purely boss/manager pov.

 

[Dr Dolittle]

It's a pragmatic POV, as opposed to a pie-in-the-sky class war one.

 

[Blagsta]

It's a pragmatic POV, as opposed to a pie-in-the-sky class war one.

Typical liberal bollocks.

 

[yield]

It's a pragmatic POV, as opposed to a pie-in-the-sky class war one.

What rubbish. Why can't you see what's going on?

“There’s class warfare, all right,” Mr. Buffett said, “but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

nytimes November 26, 2006

 

[shaman75]

The occupation of the UBS building seems quite apt considering the Guardian's story suggesting a conflict of affairs over the planning permission of the new UBS London HQ...

The City of London Corporation is facing fresh conflict of interest questions over links between senior elected representatives and property developers involved in major projects in and around the Square Mile.

The latest case involves a member of the corporation's planning committee with an alleged conflict of interest over his links to a property company given permission to go ahead with a disputed development.

British Land, one of the UK's largest property development companies, was given a green light in April for the construction of a huge £340m headquarters for the Swiss bank UBS .

The development – which meant taking a wrecking ball to the Broadgate complex –has been called "the worst large building in the City for 20 years" and "an environmental disaster".

It was approved by the City's planning and transportation committee, whose members included Archie Galloway, a councillor closely linked with a subsidiary of British Land in a number of ways which have now left him facing allegations of a conflict of interest.
Firstly, the corporation's electoral roll lists Galloway as one of 20 people whom the subsidiary, Broadgate Estates, has appointed as voters. The others are apparently employees of the firm. Secondly, a current director and the then managing director of Broadgate Estates were among the five people who nominated him in election papers to contest a byelection in 2009.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/nov/16/city-london-corporation-fresh-questions

Quite ironic, when we are continually being told business will move out of London if made to 'pay their way', that UBS want to relocate their HQ to London to escape the Swiss regime...

UBS could move the headquarters of its investment bank to London to avoid tough capital requirements being planned by the Swiss authorities, according to reports in the US.

A move to London from its Zurich headquarters would allow the bank to minimise the capital it keeps to protect against a repeat of the near collapse it suffered in 2008.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/...ment-bank-to-uk-to-avoid-swiss-capital-regime

 

[shaman75]

Mark Thomas is making an appearance on Sunday at the UBS Occupation, 8 - 9pm.

http://www.bankofideas.org.uk/events/event/mark-thomas-comedian-and-activist

 

[Treacle Toes]

Has been a great in the Ocuupy London sites this weekend, the Bank of Ideas has brought re-newed public and press interest and having delegates from 17 other occupy sites in the UK and Ireland has created lots of excitement and a platform to explore what things all the sites can work on towards under the banner of Occupy Britain.

 

[treelover]

wish i had gone this weekend rather than last, nothing much happened then...

 

[shaman75]

Mark Thomas is making an appearance on Sunday at the UBS Occupation, 8 - 9pm.

http://www.bankofideas.org.uk/events/event/mark-thomas-comedian-and-activist

Looks like this could be on at 6pm now. Or 7pm. Seems to depend which site you look at.

 

[southside]

If you can take a look at some of the ludicrus statments from people who have posted on the OL initial Statement.
HAHA!
I don't mean to mock them but it's very studenty stuff. They want everything and nothing with an underlying smuttering of some sort of fudge communism? Banish all debt for one, Although good and very nice in theory it's obviously not a good idea.
Around the bottom of the list of ridiculous comments where the odd sane person has posted. someone mentions the Venus Project where man machine and nature can live in harmony? Nice in theory but I can't help thinking lay off the weed man.
I understand that people are upset, it's what happens in the material world but if you don't want to pay don't buy it's that simple.

The sad truth is we all want the goodies, new croc of the latest techno shit. We all want the dream job. And we all wan't to have a nice standard of living.

All good I hear you say.

The truth is that if you don't want to conform to capitalism don't buy into it's mechanisms only to jump up and down when the repo man comes knocking your door down.

 

[Brainaddict]

The truth is that if you don't want to conform to capitalism don't buy into it's mechanisms only to jump up and down when the repo man comes knocking your door down.

Do outline the resources available to me outside of the capitalist framework. Assume, for a moment, if you will, that I have no particular wish to be a peasant farmer.

 

[DotCommunist]

Southside, you are channeling Louise Mensch only I'm sure I don't want to fuck you.

'fudge communism' lol they are nowhere even near the fudge stage.

Someone on the occupy threads got it right when they said these people are still at the stage where they are petitioning the king to remove his corrupt advisors and rule fairly once more.

 

[southside]

Southside, you are channeling Louise Mensch only I'm sure I don't want to fuck you.

'fudge communism' lol they are nowhere even near the fudge stage.

Someone on the occupy threads got it right when they said these people are still at the stage where they are petitioning the king to remove his corrupt advisors and rule fairly once more.

Sadly though Dot the dollar is king and we are all slaves to it's wanton whoreidness.

It's never been fair which doesn't make it right, they've fucked up royally and it's true something needs to be done about it. The problem from my prospective are we are all pretty much in the same shitty boat and I doubt any cunt knows what the fuck to do to fix it. I bet they are shitting it because really they know things do need to change. How that change is implimented and under what terms is beyond my capacity and it's probably beyond theirs because of how pox ridden by capitalism we all are.

 

[audiotech]

I've tried to get around the stock market jargon used in an interview with a market analyst, blogger and journalist, Barry Ritholtz, whose recent article in the Washington Post has gone viral. I haven't read that particular article yet, nevertheless, he states, and there is increasing evidence to back this up, that it was the "radical deregulation" of the financial system itself that has allowed bankers to set their own rules. This setting of their own rules has caused the banking crisis. Therefore, he concludes 'free market capitalism', is an intellectual corrupt ideology that has caused huge economic damage globally. Furthermore, he states that the US Congress are unwilling to go against those responsible, as the huge wealth that has been amassed by a tiny few has been used to buy them off. In the interview, the US Congress is described as a "council of whores".

 

[elbows]

Well I still reckon the banking & financial crisis is not the main problem. Other aspects of the system encouraged this stuff in order to temporarily overcome other real deep problems, ranging from limits to growth due to peak oil etc, and massive global imbalances in trade. The problem has been growing since at least the 1970's, and they've done nothing meaningful with the decades they bought. Specific forms of greed and bank/market nuttiness has created its own problems, but even if we fixed those we wouldn't find ourselves in a stable situation.

 

[claphamboy]

Southside, you are channeling Louise Mensch only I'm sure I don't want to fuck you.

I know you hate 'likes', so have a massive fucking LOL instead!