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Noam Chomsky: 9-11: Institutional Analysis vs. Conspiracy Theory

Blagsta said:
You appear to be missing the point that he actually wrote that their is a Jewish conspiracy.
oh for fuck's sake! No, he is quite specific - it is NOT a 'Jewish' plot. Repeating a lie isn't going to make it truthful. What bullcrap.

"This is not a Jewish plot. This is not a plot on the world by Jewish people"
Icke

(from Ronson video "David Icke - The Lizards and the Jews" which I am about to watch as I have not yet seen it).
 
You're fucking blind mate. He's been quoted on this thread as stating quite clearly that there is a Jewish conspiracy. He also pushed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (do you know what that is btw?).

How can you deny what is written right in front of you?
 
Blagsta said:
You're fucking blind mate. He's been quoted on this thread as stating quite clearly that there is a Jewish conspiracy. He also pushed the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (do you know what that is btw?).

How can you deny what is written right in front of you?
He has been quoted as saying no such thing. I've read his books, heard his lectures, and categorically he says no such thing. I am losing patience with this.
 
Jazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."


Are you fucking blind?
 
Blagsta said:
"I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass of Jewish people worked with non-Jews to create the First World War, the Russian Revolution, and the Second World War. This Jewish/non-Jewish Elite used the First World War to secure the Balfour Declaration and the principle of the Jewish State of Israel). They then dominated the Versailles Peace Conference and created the circumstances which made the Second World War inevitable. They financed Hitler to power in 1933 and made the funds available for his rearmament."


Are you fucking blind?
No, it seems you are. That quote has been discussed to death in the last few pages, yet here you are producing it yet again! :rolleyes:

Look I really can't be doing with this going round in circles. Watch the Jon Ronson documentary from years back when this was an issue, all about the anti-semitism smearing. It's conceded even by the Bnai Brith woman that the question is whether he really means extra-terrestrials or is it some code for Jews. He really means lizards and even though Ronson is one of those putting the boot into Icke, this is pretty clear to him. It's become pretty clear to everyone else in the years since.

You can have a good giggle at him on the Wogan show too.
 
Jazzz said:
No, it seems you are. That quote has been discussed to death in the last few pages, yet here you are producing it yet again! :rolleyes:

Yes, and everyone agrees its anti-semitic apart from you.
 
It's not anti-semitic

Blagsta all you can do is throw up the same old quote again and again. I thought your debating skills were a lot better than that ? :confused:
 
How can it not be anti-semitic? :confused:


The only explanation is that Icke is very very naive and stupid
 
On the last few pages of thread we have

jazzz, mungy, RaverDrew, fela fan, snouty warthog clearly defending Icke against the anti-semitism charge.

BobTheLost has stated he thinks he is a nutcase but not anti-semitic.

Some posters such as PhilDwyer are non-committal.

Even editor remarked that he hadn't said that quote was anti-semitic (post #509)

You are blatantly and snidely lying blagsta. Shame on you. I resent having to bother correcting it. :mad:
 
Jazzz said:
jazzz, mungy, RaverDrew, fela fan, snouty warthog clearly defending Icke against the anti-semitism charge.


Oh yeah, most of these are well known for their ability to construct a sane and rational argument aren't they?
 
What is naive and stupid about it.

Just because other groups have used similar theories as an excuse for anti-semetism, that doesn't make Icke anti-semetic. Or are you using guilt by association over actual proof ?
 
You cannot use the word 'everyone' to mean some subset of posters who share your opinion. You've said something demonstrated to be blatantly untrue blagsta.

But rather than claim or admit a mistake, or apologise in any way, you have attempted to justify the lie with some outrageous hand-waving. This is despicable posting.
 
Badger Kitten said:
And they can't cope without central heating.

And what do they do all day? Bask. That's all they do. Lazy sods, lizards.
So lizards are in fact, benefit-claiming layabout potheads?! Icke's got it in for everyone :(
 
Blagsta said:
Oh yeah, most of these are well known for their ability to construct a sane and rational argument aren't they?

it's nice of you to suggest that i may be able to construct a sane and rational argument. i wouldn't say my ability in that area is well known though. it's nice to know people are thinking about me though.
 
Clare Fox of the Institute of Ideas (I believe her background is leftist/Marxist) stated to me:

"It's conceivable that the American Government killed its own people on 911, but 911 didn't change anything, the US has always been like that. It doesn't matter if there's any truth behind the questions, making an issue out of 911 won't make a difference"

(She asked a question about "civic engagement" at the seminar)

I found this answer astonishing. Taking her arguement on her own terms, I would suggest there's a qualititative difference between a "democratic" Government's complicity in dirty wars and coup d'etats abroad (the constant refrain of the left) and the possibility, one that she herself entertains, that a "democratic" Government might have been involved in such a crime against its own citizens. Her position reveals a deep cynicsm. "Democracy is meaningless, so who cares if 911 was an inside job?"

You know that if the twin towers were in El Salvador or Venuzuala, the left would be the first to jump on that bandwagon. And this is, to mirror an argument made in an earlier post, the irony of left. The left has always marginalised itself by identifying with the cause of the enemies of the day. Sadaam Hussein was a recent example. When the left speaks for the victims of American empire, their opponents accuse them of hating America. If you hate America in the US, you're politically irrelevent. And I'm afriad Chomsky feeds that marginalisation, by cultivating the left's identification with the history of empire's victims.

But I understand the anxiety of the left revealed by the comments on this thread, as "Hero's" like Chavez buddy up to Radical Islamists like Ahmadinejad (and the 911 Movement). Must be a confusing time. You can rest assured you're anti-americanism will prevail whatever happens.
 
Mungy said:
it's nice of you to suggest that i may be able to construct a sane and rational argument. i wouldn't say my ability in that area is well known though. it's nice to know people are thinking about me though.

I wasn't actually thinking of you tbh - notice how I put "most", not "all" in that sentence.
 
Jazzz said:
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*yawn*
 
RHOQ said:
Clare Fox of the Institute of Ideas (I believe her background is leftist/Marxist) stated to me:



(She asked a question about "civic engagement" at the seminar)

I found this answer astonishing. Taking her arguement on her own terms, I would suggest there's a qualititative difference between a "democratic" Government's complicity in dirty wars and coup d'etats abroad (the constant refrain of the left) and the possibility, one that she herself entertains, that a "democratic" Government might have been involved in such a crime against its own citizens. Her position reveals a deep cynicsm. "Democracy is meaningless, so who cares if 911 was an inside job?"

You know that if the twin towers were in El Salvador or Venuzuala, the left would be the first to jump on that bandwagon. And this is, to mirror an argument made in an earlier post, the irony of left. The left has always marginalised itself by identifying with the cause of the enemies of the day. Sadaam Hussein was a recent example. When the left speaks for the victims of American empire, their opponents accuse them of hating America. If you hate America in the US, you're politically irrelevent. And I'm afriad Chomsky feeds that marginalisation, by cultivating the left's identification with the history of empire's victims.

But I understand the anxiety of the left revealed by the comments on this thread, as "Hero's" like Chavez buddy up to Radical Islamists like Ahmadinejad (and the 911 Movement). Must be a confusing time. You can rest assured you're anti-americanism will prevail whatever happens.

Clare Fox was actually a member of Living Marxism/RCP, therefore she can't really be trusted. She is about as 'left' as Tony Blair. The Institute of Ideas actually carries on where the RCP left off.

Nice try.
 
Jazzz said:
<post deleted, better things to do than bother with blagsta any more>

Better things to do than bother with facts any more, more like.
 
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