Nicola Sturgeon's time is up
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Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
The garden's "in tact" - it's diplomatically keeping schtum.
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
I'm not convinced that Scottish jurisdiction re contempt of court extends beyond Scotland.This post and the tweet within it are technically contempt of court. The man's been arrested stick to what NS did or didn't know
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
No, I'm wrong. It's not a separate Scottish law. The relevant legislation is the Contempt of Court Act 1981, which applies both sides of the border and is enforced more enthusiastically yonder.
Contempt of Court Act 1981
An Act to amend the law relating to contempt of court and related matters.
So we have to be careful what we say on here.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
He's an ITN journalist so I should think it's fairly safe. Why is my post about it contempt?
bluescreen
tofu eating wokerati
AFAIK no charges have been brought so there are not yet any court proceedings so nothing to contemn.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Well still the point of charge, but in Scotland you're charged at the point of arrest.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Especially about the goats.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
The auditors have resigned. That's really not good.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
This is something that puzzled me earlier. It doesn’t sound good. But haven’t those same auditors been passing the annual accounts for the past ten years, including therefore the years under question?
I’m not asking anyone to fall foul of contempt of court rules. But it was my understanding that the point of having a professional auditor is that they certify against their good name that it all looks fine?
equationgirl
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Here's the bBC article on the auditors resignation:
SNP auditors quit amid Peter Murrell police investigation
The BBC understands the accountants resigned before the former SNP chief was arrested this week.
www.bbc.co.uk
equationgirl
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Yeah, in my experience the auditors tend to do exactly as you say and rubber-stamp accounts presented to them. Occasionally they may have a few questions that need a bit of work to supply the information, but not every time. Also depends on who actually does the auditing, as with many professional services firms a small team of junior staff will do the bulk of the work then pass it to a senior manager or partner for sign off.
If an auditor resigns it might be to do reputational risk management, IE difficult questions will be asked if they continue to be auditors for a particular client so much so that they might lose other clients.
equationgirl
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Hypothetically the auditors may have been raising issues with the client over a number of years, but if the client provides sufficient justification and information then there's probably not much they can do, if there is no actual clear evidence of a crime.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Sounds like 'reputation management ' on their part. At some point they may have to choose between looking incompetent or dodgy. Allegedly.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
I don't think so. It is not so.
If you are arrested and held in custody by the police in Scotland
Your rights if you are arrested and held in custody by the police in Scotland.
Once a person is charged, the police can no longer question them.
Murrell was released without charge for this reason.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Given the spectacular failures in auditing, one wonders if any of the big firms are fit for purpose. Enron for example.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
They can walk, which they now have done.
What an utter shower the SNP are, rotten to the core, but with the hubris to castigate others for financial impropriety.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Carillon got a clean bill of health from the auditors about six months before it fell into a multi-billion black hole.
Accounting isn't even that difficult. Considering what people get paid for it you'd think it was some rare and special skill, not something that can be done by anyone with a basic grasp of maths and a copy of excel.
equationgirl
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But of a simplification! A lot of it can be to do with the way costs are entered onto the balance sheet (or not).
I often work with an accounts team on the capitalisation of intellectual property, which is a way of getting tax relief on some IP costs. But it's usually not worth doing unless there is a clearly defined sales and revenue stream for a particular product. It also depends on exactly what IP costs can be capitalised, as not all of them can be - and not all of them will be separated out. So this aspect - one of so very many - requires knowledge of IP, regulations, tax guidelines and so on. It really isn't just basic maths and a copy of excel.
And don't even get me started on R&D tax credits, that's a whole other specialised world of pain.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Oh, I don't know, I mean what's the point of doing years of training followed up by ongoing training when all you need is a basic grasp of maths and a copy of excel?
Ditto with solicitors, no one needs them, when a basic understanding of the magna carta and maritime law will ensure you'll always get off in court.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Real names aren’t legal. Or whatever it is.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
You need the training to understand all the voodoo nonsense the accounting profession has invented down the centuries to justify its own existence. Just like economics. When something goes horribly wrong with accounting (as it did with Carillion and however many other examples) it becomes very clear that the whole field is basically a lot of self-referential mumbo jumbo nonsense piled on top of what is, or should be, just simple bookkeeping.
Bookkeeping says, you can't pay for this yet because you haven't been paid for that yet. Accounting says of course you can, just shuffle everything around a bit, wrap it up in some impenetrable layers of bullshit until you appear solvent. Even though you're actually now less solvent than you were because you've just added a shitload of accounting fees to your liabilities.
And when your business goes under, who is it paying themselves £1,000 an hour to pick the carcass clean? Accountants. Would you trust a GP who was also an undertaker on the side?
JimW
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equationgirl
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To be Nicola did give a press conference from her front lawn yesterday.
It's all a bit odd really
It's all a bit odd really
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
Wasn’t sure where to put this, but despite the death spiral of the SNP, the other parties in Scotland are still only landing own goals. The Scottish Tory leader yesterday called for Scottish voters to vote Labour. Upsetting both his own party and Labour.
Douglas Ross: Tories reject Scottish leader's Labour vote call Douglas Ross: Tories reject Scottish leader's Labour vote call
Douglas Ross: Tories reject Scottish leader's Labour vote call Douglas Ross: Tories reject Scottish leader's Labour vote call
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