New Zealand election 2020

[Streathamite]

except in the UK...

didn't really work that way in India or pakistan either....
e2a: didn't notice that lbj had beaten me to it.
However, CKF in Argentina wasn't that bad (compared to that wanker Macri), and she is still - incredibly - a folk-heroine to thousands of young leftwing Argentinians, if not millions (I know this from my niece, who happens to be one of them).

 

[teqniq]

Um, wow.

Jacinda Ardern considers coalition despite New Zealand election landslide

Prime minister says she will be ready to form a government in two to three weeks as New Zealanders enjoy return to normal life

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jeff Robinson]

LMFAO.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Um, wow.

Jacinda Ardern considers coalition despite New Zealand election landslide

Prime minister says she will be ready to form a government in two to three weeks as New Zealanders enjoy return to normal life

www.theguardian.com

There won't be a coalition.
The Greens have no bargaining power as Labour don't need a coalition partner.

This is a good thing as it will be good to have a strong opposition voice from the left, otherwise it will all be from the right wing ACT party who will be able to build and organise for the 2023 election. This way slippage from Labour could benefit the Greens next time.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

didn't really work that way in India or pakistan either....
e2a: didn't notice that lbj had beaten me to it.
However, CKF in Argentina wasn't that bad (compared to that wanker Macri), and she is still - incredibly - a folk-heroine to thousands of young leftwing Argentinians, if not millions (I know this from my niece, who happens to be one of them).

I was thinking more Isabel Peron. Although tbf she wasn't actually elected.

ETA: That said, Argentinian politics can be hard for us to get our heads around, that's for sure. The relationship between progressive, reasonable, left-leaning people and Peronism is, frankly, at times very hard to navigate.

 

[Streathamite]

ETA: That said, Argentinian politics can be hard for us to get our heads around, that's for sure. The relationship between progressive, reasonable, left-leaning people and Peronism is, frankly, at times very hard to navigate.

You're bloody telling me - it takes about half-an-hour conversation with my (leftist) niece and her friends on that subject before my head feels like it's turning itself inside out!
I think the key thing - and the reason why, to Oligarcicos families like those of my brother's late ma-in-law, Peron is the devil incarnate - is that Peron pretty much smashed completely the absolute power of the oligarcicos families, and the hold they had over Argentina.
Before Peron, they were figures of absolute fear. Ordinary folk would step into the gutter to let them pass. After, they spat at them openly in the streets.
They still have wealth, and some power - but nowhere like before.
That, plus Peron was the Trades Unions candidate - El Partido Trabajo. cf; " he may have been an absolute SOB, but he was our SOB!"

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Except that he criminalised independent unions... He was a top-down corporatist who modelled himself on Mussolini.

Anyhow, I'm not starting on that road. I know you know. It's a hard thing because reactionary types who hated Peron like Borges were wrong as well.

 

[Streathamite]

Except that he criminalised independent unions... He was a top-down corporatist who modelled himself on Mussolini.

Anyhow, I'm not starting on that road. I know you know. It's a hard thing because reactionary types who hated Peron like Borges were wrong as well.

No, probably best leave that one! And I'm certainly not defending Peron, or pretending that he was on the workers' side - just trying to illustrate how some leftist Argentinians were gulled into thinking he was.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

There's a good thread to be had about Peron, tbh. But too big a topic for this thread. Suffice to say that Isabel Peron's brief spell as president, following Juan's less than auspicious second spell, was a disaster.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Muldoon was New Zealand's Peron and Winston Peters our Kirchner.

Which I guess means Roger Douglas was our Menem?

 

[teqniq]

Pretty impressive start:

New Zealand’s Ardern names ‘incredibly diverse’ cabinet, including first Indigenous woman as top diplomat

 

[belboid]

Pretty impressive start:

New Zealand’s Ardern names ‘incredibly diverse’ cabinet, including first Indigenous woman as top diplomat

Tssk tssk. Maori aren’t indigenous, they’re first peoples.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Tssk tssk. Maori aren’t indigenous, they’re first peoples.

What?!

 

[Crispy]

Tssk tssk. Maori aren’t indigenous, they’re first peoples.

I thought the terms are interchangeable

 

[Dom Traynor]

I thought the terms are interchangeable

Māori are indigenous by the own definition and in fact it's a racist trope here to say they are not.

I've never heard the First People thing before in relation to NZ so I asked my partner who is Ngā Puhi and a teacher and she said she hadn't really heard First People as a descriptor before but indigenous is correct.

 

[William of Walworth]

Is there another thread about the recent NZ 'legalise recreational marijuana' referendum?

Result (albeit 'preliminary' ) summarised on this Wiki page :

From Wikipedia :

Preliminary results
Preliminary results of the New Zealand cannabis referendum, 17 October 2020

Option	Votes
Num.	%
Yes	1,114,485	46.51
No	1,281,818	53.49
Total	2,396,303	100.00
Informal votes	19,244
Special votes (pending)	~480,000
Total votes cast	2,877,117	100.00
Registered voters and turnout	3,487,654	82.50

Shame that ....

 

[belboid]

Māori are indigenous by the own definition and in fact it's a racist trope here to say they are not.

I've never heard the First People thing before in relation to NZ so I asked my partner who is Ngā Puhi and a teacher and she said she hadn't really heard First People as a descriptor before but indigenous is correct.

I bow to your knowledge. I was told that the term had been invented with the Maori specifically in mind, as, unlike say aborigines, they had migrated to NZ from somewhere else. My bad.

 

[Crispy]

unlike say aborigines, they had migrated to NZ from somewhere else.

Everybody in the world migrated from somewhere else

 

[JTG]

I bow to your knowledge. I was told that the term had been invented with the Maori specifically in mind, as, unlike say aborigines, they had migrated to NZ from somewhere else. My bad.

Aboriginal Australians migrated to Australia from elsewhere, it was just a bloody long time ago (like 40-60,000 years iirc). The Maori are somewhat newer arrivals in Aotearoa than that however

 

[Dom Traynor]

I bow to your knowledge. I was told that the term had been invented with the Maori specifically in mind, as, unlike say aborigines, they had migrated to NZ from somewhere else. My bad.

They have a shorter history than Aboriginals for sure