New Tommy Sheridan video.

[Bear]

http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3451

I hope he wins again - just because the other side seem to me like a nasty bunch of bastards.

 

[JHE]

Wins again? You think he's going to sue again? He's most certainly not going to!

Sheridan's a nasty piece of work. He's let his vanity run riot, has shat all over his friends and comrades and has destroyed the political party they and he built.

 

[nonamenopackdrill]

I don't know if he will or not. If he does I hope he wins, but he's fucked politically.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Wins again? You think he's going to sue again? He's most certainly not going to!

Sheridan's a nasty piece of work. He's let his vanity run riot, has shat all over his friends and comrades and has destroyed the political party they and he built.

It would be incredible if he was to pursue this by means of a civil action - against whom?

The NoTW or George McNeilage for defamation? They're reporting what it says on the tape and he'd need to prove it was fabricated He might not even get a jury this time (civil jury trials are very rare in Scotland).

Much more likely he'd be dealing with this as respondent in an appeal by NoTW before three judges against the original decision, or, if the Crown Office believes the police have found sufficient evidence, as an accused person on an indictment at the High Court on charges of perjury, and possibly intimidation and defeating the ends of justice.

This is serious stuff.

 

[JHE]

Much more likely he'd be dealing with this as respondent in an appeal by NoTW before three judges against the original decision, or, if the Crown Office believes the police have found sufficient evidence, as an accused person on an indictment at the High Court on charges of perjury, and possibly intimidation and defeating the ends of justice.

Indeed. Before this recording turned up I thought it was not very likely that Sheridan or anyone else would be prosecuted. Now it's looking a lot more likely that Tommy will be (justly recognised as) Scotland's answer to Aitken and Archer.

 

[phildwyer]

I don't believe anything the NotW says about him now--hell hath no fury like a tabloid defeated in a libel case. If they don't get him with this they'll try something else next month.

 

[Bear]

Wins again? You think he's going to sue again? He's most certainly not going to!

Sheridan's a nasty piece of work. He's let his vanity run riot, has shat all over his friends and comrades and has destroyed the political party they and he built.

No, he won`t sue. But he`ll most probably be back in court accused of perjury - I`m saying that I hope he wins that cases too, not because I think he`s an angel or a working class hero, but because I think the otherside are a bigger bunch of bastards.

 

[danny la rouge]

So, the net closes on Class Traitor Sheridan.

Hell mind him; it is now too late for his apologies.

He dragged fellow socialists through the court, called them liars and scabs, put them in impossible positions, put women’s sex lives on public display and traduced their integrity, wrecked the socialist movement in Scotland, and accused his former party’s executive of concocting a story about him that wasn’t true.

He says the tape is a fake, but it is fast becoming evident that the only fake is Sheridan. He has made his good work of the past null and void by his vanity and disloyalty; he can’t be trusted, and must now be shunned by the working class movement. Tommy, rot in Hell.

There is nothing worse than a class traitor, and Tommy has shown himself to be one.

 

[DexterTCN]

As you can see, Bear, there is not much point trying to get reasoned conversation out of this lot about Sheridan. I'm not trying to tell you what to think but I guarantee you'll only get vitriol.

I gave up ages ago.

In my view a class traitor would be someone who sides with the filthy rag that supported Thatcher against the miners, supported the poll tax, is pro-war, racist, shows as much naked flesh as it can get away with, carries out stings dressed as arabs....fuck fill in the blanks with anything you like. The Murdoch empire or a Scots socialist? I know which side of that particular fence I'm on.

I know who I think the class traitors are here, that's for sure. And it's not Sheridan, it's the holier-than-thous posting so-called 'facts' in here. Expect a drip-drip up until next May.

 

[SuburbanCasual]

Sheridan is a traitor to his former comrades, he deserves whatever he gets.

 

[Fullyplumped]

DexterTCN, that's just not good enough.

Mr Sheridan has driven a bulldozer into dozens of decent people who respected him and helped him to achieve the prominence he now enjoys. Rosie Kane, for example - the other Glasgow SSP MSP. She has been branded a witch and a liar by Mr Sheridan. He seems to believe her to be unreasonable in not going along with his scheme of lies and deceit. Despite that she has responded with clarity and dignity. Not even you and the SWP ghouls who haunt this issue go along with Mr Sheridan in calling her a witch and a liar. Or do you?

He's a pure disgrace. You can decide for yourself who's a class traitor - I've no doubt you think that of me with my inconvenient "facts" - but you need to make yourself clear about the people he's accused of lying about him. Do you think Rosie Kane and the other "witches" are class traitors?"

 

[Fullyplumped]

Rosie Kane MSP quoted in the Media Guardian (registration needed).

Last night Rosie Kane, an SSP MSP who gave evidence against her former colleague, called for Mr Sheridan to resign from the Scottish parliament.

"I have listened to this tape and I know it is Tommy," she said. " What he says on that tape is what we said in our evidence in court and he said it was us that were liars."​

 

[ska invita]

Sheridan's a nasty piece of work. He's let his vanity run riot, has shat all over his friends and comrades and has destroyed the political party they and he built.

The newspaper says the video was recorded by George McNeilage, who was Mr Sheridan's best man at his wedding to wife Gail.

It said he taped the conversation on a camcorder hidden beneath some tiles while he was decorating the front room of his Glasgow home.

He never released it at the time, the newspaper said, because he was certain his old friend would lose his court case and it would not be needed.

With "comrades" like that, who needs enemies...his best man ffs.

 

[DexterTCN]

Plumped...away and fuck off. Like I said...class traitors are the ones siding with the Murdoch empire.

What 'inconvenient facts' are you bringing to the table? Three court judges, a rent-a-quote from Rosie Kane, an indictment and High Court case, aye? Are you fucking serious?

Rosie Kane responded with 'clarity and dignity' by saying she knows for a fact it was him, aye?

Surely the very definition of a class traitor would be the guy secretly taping his mate? Whether Sheridan did it or not, I don't give a toss and I've always said it...sex club? 3-somes? Don't care, don't give a fuck. Bigger picture...New Labour and the US controlled media trying to destroy UK socialism. Can't do it on policies...so sling mud.

Listen to yourself...New Labour Blairite Murdoch supporter. Everyone knows it, and averyone knows that's your agenda. End of.

Like I said to Bear...getting reasoned debate from this lot...fat chance.

 

[Fullyplumped]

With "comrades" like that, who needs enemies...his best man ffs.

Read it.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Rosie Kane responded with 'clarity and dignity' by saying she knows for a fact it was him, aye?

Let us be completely clear. Do you think Rosie Kane is a liar?

 

[danny la rouge]

Dexter once again misses all the points.

This is not about the NotW; it is not about Sheridan's sex life.

It is about the fact that Sheridan put his ego above the privacy of people like Katrine Trolle, dragging her in front of court, calling her a liar, and sacrificing her privacy for his own ends. That is the opposite of solidarity.

He also accused his colleagues of plotting against him by making up stories, and accused them in court of perjury. That was a lie.

He put the SSP in a difficult position through his wreckless behaviour, then called them scabs.

He is scum, and knows he is. I feel sorry for people who have fallen for his lies, but not for him: he deserves all he gets.

Why do I care? Because if I am on an action and he turns up, I can't trust him not to betray us all to suit his own selfish ends. If he turns up, I walk away.

 

[treelover]

we should remember its not the first time, is it?

 

[JimPage]

Plumped...away and fuck off. Like I said...class traitors are the ones siding with the Murdoch empire.

no one is siding with murdoch here- if they were the tape would have been released prior to the trial and trully stuffed TS. No one voluntarily co-operated with the NOTW- no one grassed TS

but all this changed when TS attempted to get SWP members jailed for purjury for telling the truth in a court they did not want to be in

class traitors? well since most of TS`s fan club are middle class swp sadcases the term doesnt apply. but some are deliberately acting against the interest of the class by trying do destroy a united, working class party, for no discernable reason

sheridan is jailbound.

 

[JoePolitix]

The problem is that the anti-Sheridenites are so consumed by their hatred of Sheriden that they have completely lost their political barings. Not only on this forum but on other discussion lists I have read SSPers justifying allying with the NotW on the grounds that Sheriden is worse than Murdoch. For all those outside this vicious dispute who are aware of the reactionary role Murdochs scab empire plays across the planet such statements will read as utterly ridiculous.

 

[Kenny Vermouth]

Wins again? You think he's going to sue again? He's most certainly not going to!

Sheridan's a nasty piece of work. He's let his vanity run riot, has shat all over his friends and comrades and has destroyed the political party they and he built.

Yep and I hope the News of the World shit all over him.

God am I chuffed they were given that video.

 

[Pigeon]

Call that a video? Meh.

This is a video.

 

[JHE]

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She can't be imprisoned for it - and I hear worse than that every week when there's karaoke at the pub.

 

[Pigeon]

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Mea culpa.

Try gain.

 

[Kenny Vermouth]

Sheridan is a traitor to his former comrades, he deserves whatever he gets.

Comrades, aye?

Nothing like living in the ugly past.

 

[danny la rouge]

The problem is that the anti-Sheridenites are so consumed by their hatred of Sheriden that they have completely lost their political barings. Not only on this forum but on other discussion lists I have read SSPers justifying allying with the NotW on the grounds that Sheriden is worse than Murdoch. For all those outside this vicious dispute who are aware of the reactionary role Murdochs scab empire plays across the planet such statements will read as utterly ridiculous.

You have fallen for the "brave Tommy against the NotW" routine.

This isn't about Sheridan's sex life, it isn't about the NotW: it's about what Sheridan did next.

As soon as Tommy decided that what he needed to do was trash his comrades, pull people through the courts who didn't ask to be there (like Katrine Trolle), and paint a false picture of a plot, then he lost the right to respect. He didn't need to take that course of action, he chose to.

The pro Sheridan folk need to answer this (I asked on other threads and recieved no reply):

Do you believe that on reading the story about the then unnamed MSP the SSP EC decided to falsely and maliciously pin it on Sheridan? That the story wasn't about him, but that they decided to say it was?

That is what you need to believe if you believe Tommy. Remember the NotW only named him in regard to this story after that meeting. At the time of the meeting, this was a mystery man. It could have been any male MSP.

That is the first step, the rest follows. So take the first step first: is that what you believe?

 

[JoePolitix]

Danny if you'd read my comments on the other thread you'd know that I have reconsidered my position on Sheriden and concluded that my inital support for his line was ill founded.

The point I'm trying to make now is that McNeilage, with the full backing of the SSP leadership, has colluded with the Murdoch press, provided them evidence against Tommy Sheriden and pocketed cash in the process. No one can dispute this and I'm arguing that if Sheriden's political opponents fail to distance themselves from this act then it cuts the moral rug from under feet.

And fuck Queensbury rules its basic socialist ethics that have been shattered in Scotland at the moment by both sides of the dispute. What a fucking nightmare

 

[tollbar]

Danny if you'd read my comments on the other thread you'd know that I have reconsidered my position on Sheriden and concluded that my inital support for his line was ill founded.

The point I'm trying to make now is that McNeilage, with the full backing of the SSP leadership, has colluded with the Murdoch press, provided them evidence against Tommy Sheriden and pocketed cash in the process. No one can dispute this and I'm arguing that if Sheriden's political opponents fail to distance themselves from this act then it cuts the moral rug from under feet.

And fuck Queensbury rules its basic socialist ethics that have been shattered in Scotland at the moment by both sides of the dispute. What a fucking nightmare

Where is the evidence that GM had the full backing of the SSP leadership ?.

There are a good few SSP members who would like an explanation of the facts behind the publication of this video by the NOtW. We shall get an opportunity to raise and discuss these matters at the SSP conference on the coming weekend.

I wonder if supporters of Squalidarity will get the same chance to discuss Sheridans actions at their conference in November.

 

[JoePolitix]

Where is the evidence that GM had the full backing of the SSP leadership ?.

I haven't got any secretly recorded evidence of any conversations if that's what you mean, but what I do know is that leading SSPers have approved McNeilage's actions and none of the leadership have criticised them. I find the idea that he just sat on the tape and kept quiet for months a little unlikely awell tbh, in fact the whole circumstances surrounding his possession of the tape are very suspicious.

 

[danny la rouge]

The point I'm trying to make now is that McNeilage, with the full backing of the SSP leadership, has colluded with the Murdoch press, provided them evidence against Tommy Sheriden and pocketed cash in the process. No one can dispute this and I'm arguing that if Sheriden's political opponents fail to distance themselves from this act then it cuts the moral rug from under feet.

I gave up on the other thread weeks ago, when it became beset by incomprehensible squabbles between factions. So, apologies if I am not up to date on your take on Sheridan.

I think we have to see any response to Sheridan's scurrilous attack on his former comrades in the context of that attack. The News of the World is scum, no doubt about it. And Sheridan's sex life is a matter for him and his wife, not for public scrutiny. I think he should have said just that. But he didn't, he chose to behave very badly indeed. He can't therefore be surprised if people take that badly. As my Dad used to say 'If you fly with the craws, you get shot with the craws'.

We have now moved beyond it being a civil matter: somebody lied in court, and that is a criminal matter.

And the video is evidence of criminal activity - either it is genuine, and Sheridan contradicts the evidence he gave under oath, or it is fake, in which case concocting evidence of a criminal offence is itself a criminal act. If it is fake Sheridan should lodge an official complaint with the police. He might consider suing the papers who repeated the allegations (a civil matter), but that would come after the criminal matter of concocting false evidence.

On the matter of backing for the tape, Colin Fox says he knew nothing of it, and the guy who made it says it was for himself and some local branch activists only. He now puts it in the public domain to clear the reputations of the socialists Sheridan traduced (he says).