New Tommy Sheridan video.

[Nigel]

I think that there would have to be a show trial before any sentence is passed!!!

 

[Nigel]

Has there been any statement form Solidaritty about this?

 

[JoePolitix]

I was talking about McNeilage.
Sorry Joe hope you did'nt take it the wrong way!

No I got what you were saying

 

[DexterTCN]

Colin Fox and Rupert Murdoch say the tape is real....so that's good enough for...some people.

 

[JoePolitix]

Peter Manson to the Rescue

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/643/scotland.htm

George McNeilage, the man who says he secretly taped Tommy Sheridan ‘confessing all’ might or might not have been paid £20,000 by the News of the World. But whether or not he got the modern equivalent of thirty pieces of silver is hardly the point.

McNeilage is a member of the Scottish Socialist Party and a founder of its United Left platform. Helping to clear the reputation of Rupert Murdoch’s filthy rag, and opening the door for a police perjury investigation into Sheridan and co, is a totally unprincipled way of dealing with differences in the workers’ movement and on the left. It is to cross class lines.

If the SSP wants to be regarded as any kind of a principled socialist organisation it must immediately expel him from their ranks. There should certainly be an emergency debate at the SSP conference this weekend and a demand for the full facts to be brought out into the open.

This is just an obvious trueism to all on the left except those still blinded by sheer hatred of TS.

 

[danny la rouge]

This is just an obvious trueism to all on the left except those still blinded by sheer hatred of TS.

He was merely trying to defend the good name of good socialists maliciously slurred by Class Traitor Sheridan. If you decry him for that, how do you respond you Sheridan's conduct towards his comrades? Sheridan was motivated not by the desire to defend socialists, but out of sheer egotistical self interest.

You might say I hate Sheridan, and I do now. But in the past on this board I defended him when my own comrades said I should not, given his remarks after the Poll Tax demo in London. I put forward his record in mitigation. I have known Sheridan since we were both at Stirling Uni. It is with regret therefore that I have to conclude that his record has been overshadowed by his treacherous betrayal of his comrades, followed by his lies that they had betrayed him.

I say again, if I am involved in an action and Sheridan turns up, how do I know he won't lie his hairy arse off and land everyone else in it? That is why I said he should be neck shot in a revolutionary situation. And I stand by it.

 

[DexterTCN]

And that's the last of your shite I'll be reading here.

That is why I said he should be neck shot in a revolutionary situation. And I stand by it.

Ignorant, Murdoch supporting, two-faced, hypocritical, murder supporting ****. Let me know which party you support, ta. Nasty little ******.

No offence to anyone else. People like that make me fucking sick.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ignorant, Murdoch supporting, two-faced, hypocritical, murder supporting ****. Let me know which party you support, ta. Nasty little ******.

Don't get it, do you? You can't trust a class traitor.

Oh, and Murdoch is already a class enemy, but Sheridan is worse because he's a turn coat.

And I've told you a dozen times, I don't support any party.

 

[urbanrevolt]

Totally agree with post 81. get on with the politics, not some shit sideshow.. may be TS has shitted on members of his own ex party but all this going to NOTW is just a fucking gift to those who want to destroy working class radicalism in scotland.

Also a class traitor who is also a class enemy is someone whois leader of a mass movement who has derailed it.

To compare Sheirdan's influence or pwoer with that f Murdoch is laughable. Activists from SSP and Solidairty should work together in campaigns against privatisation, against racism, against cuts, demand their leaders end this rdiculous sideshow and namecalling, and with other British workers and activists try to rvive a radical socialist tradition and escape the reformist and nationalist cul de sacs of both parties/groups' politics

 

[danny la rouge]

get on with the politics, not some shit sideshow

But it'll have to be without Sheridan.

 

[tollbar]

http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/643/scotland.htm



This is just an obvious trueism to all on the left except those still blinded by sheer hatred of TS.

The thing to remember here though is that the SSP has never expelled anyone in its history. There were never any calls to expel Sheridan even when he was calling people scabs and there is a motion to conference this weekend saying that people who joined the Sheridan split should be allowed to rejoin the SSP without recrinimations if they wish to do so.

 

[danny la rouge]

there is a motion to conference this weekend saying that people who joined the Sheridan split should be allowed to rejoin the SSP without recrinimations if they wish to do so.

As is right and proper. And working with members of Solidarity is not a problem. Except for Sheridan: he ought to be dead to any decent worker.

 

[JoePolitix]

I say again, if I am involved in an action and Sheridan turns up, how do I know he won't lie his hairy arse off and land everyone else in it? That is why I said he should be neck shot in a revolutionary situation. And I stand by it.

And who exactly would trust McNeilage after he secretly filmed a former comrade (allegedly two years ago), negotiated with the rat press and then sold information to advance their taudry agenda? If we believe his and the SSP leadership's accounts then he also did this behind the backs of his party. On the other hand if he and SSP are lying, then the whole SSP leadership are implicated in this affair from the beginning and either way are implicated now by failing to take action against McNeilage.

For me the release of the tape to the gutter press and the SSP leadership’s response to it throws up a whole serious of awkward questions. The Marxism mailing post linked to above brilliantly demonstrates that the NotW tape is empirically unreliable in a number of suggestive ways: parts of the transcript simply don’t exist in audio, the intonation and timing alterations indicate that additional audio has been added, the general poor quality of the audio: the obvious audio splicing and so on. On top of this the full transcript when read does not actually bear out the NotW’s claim that Tommy admitted their story was true – he actually systematically refutes the points against him but this was omitted from the audio made available on the website, the full transcript also contradicts the SSP EC’s account of the infamous meeting.

These shady and underhand dealings raise a host of questions – the problem is that in their desperation to get Tommy done over, some seem to have switched off all critical faculties and any notion of priciple too come to that.

 

[danny la rouge]

And who exactly would trust McNeilage.

Fair point.

But there's a context.

 

[JHE]

Drunken Sassanach in irrelevant question shocker

I have known Sheridan since we were both at Stirling Uni.

What did Tommy S study (apart from Trottery)?

It makes fuck all difference. I'm just curious.

 

[danny la rouge]

Economics.

 

[Fullyplumped]

Economics.

And typing.

 

[danny la rouge]

Typing?

 

[Fullyplumped]

Typing?

Yes, I understand that he was sent to Cardonald College by his political overlords to foment revolutionary fervour, and did a typing course. This was after getting his BA (Hons) from Stirling Uni.

 

[danny la rouge]

Ah, right. I didn't go to Cardonald, just Stirling.

I wondered if you were old enough to remember when economics, typing and cookery was what girls got when boys did techy drawing, metalwork and woodwork, and were making a joke about that...

(I'm that old).

 

[JHE]

Yeah, I think that was home economics, rather than economics. It was what the girls didn't want to do while the boys, who didn't want to do woodwork, were having a fag outside the woodwork room.

The cookery part of it must have been better than learning about mortis and tenon joints, though.

 

[danny la rouge]

I enjoy woodwork now, though. I just wish I'd paid attention.

 

[tollbar]

As is right and proper. And working with members of Solidarity is not a problem. Except for Sheridan: he ought to be dead to any decent worker.

I dont have a problem with working with members of Solidarity, I dont have a problem with the majority of those who left with Sheridan rejoining the SSP if they wish, but I do have a major problem with the fairly small band of non SWP and CWI members who aided and encouraged Sheridan in his course of action for personal and factional reasons (I assume the swipes and the cwi wont be returning under any circumstances). I believe that it was a major error for the SSP not to have begun disciplinary proceedings against Sheridan after the scabs incident and I believe that to now show that the party is not prepared to deal firmly with those who attempted to destroy it would be a green light to further disruptions and provocations.

 

[Nigel]

Brothers In Arms!!!!!!

You might say I hate Sheridan, and I do now. But in the past on this board I defended him when my own comrades said I should not, given his remarks after the Poll Tax demo in London. I put forward his record in mitigation.
DANNY LA ROUGE

Who are your comrades then Danny?

 

[DexterTCN]

Danny comes in to throw shit at Sheridan while conveniently never declaring an interest so he can never have any thrown back at himself.

It's a juvenile ploy. As juvenile as the language, the faked outrage at a woman's besmirched reputation and the postured threats of killing Sheridan should some 'revolution' come. The kind of revolution that allows Danny to dish out death to those he disagrees with.

Danny's dislike of juries is already well documented. Deciding who lives and who dies with a gun is more his style, maybe Scotland isn't the best place for him. Scots don't do things that way, and we don't tend to like people who do.

Perhaps a nice American primary school would suit him more. Ignore the law and dish out your own justice...practically his middle name.

I've asked Danny where his allegiances lie but he doesn't answer.

Probably because there is no representation in Scotland for people like Danny, because Scots don't dish out 'justice' with guns, and we don't like cunts who do.

That's one of the best things about Scotland.

And let's keep it that way by making sure that the people Danny represents never, ever get any power.

 

[JoePolitix]

George McNeilage was on Newsnight Scotland yesterday. You can see the interview by going to the BBC Scotland Website clicking on the program and skipping forward about 12 mins 45 secs.

I warn you it's painful. The phrase "did you threaten to overrule him?" springs to mind.

 

[danny la rouge]

I've asked Danny where his allegiances lie but he doesn't answer.

No, you've never asked me that. You've acused me of belonging to a party, but I've always told you I don't. Which is true.

For the record, I'm an anarchist.

 

[Bear]

SSP call on Byrne and Sheridan to resign from SSP list seats... http://www.scottishsocialistparty.org/

Am I right in thinking that if they did resign there wouldn't be a by-election (since its not an FPTP seat) and that their seats would go to whoever was below them on the list who was not elected?

Also, I used to think the Sheridan group was the biggest bunch of wankers of these two sects until I found out that someone from the exec on the other side gave a copy of the minutes to a newspaper along with an avidavitt.

When I found that out decided that side was worse than Sheridan's side.

Hope Tommy gets another verdict in his faviour, not coz I think he's innocent, but because I think the others are worse.

 

[Cobbles]

Tommy sells his story to the Daily Record and his (ex) chum sells his video to the News of The World.

If not champagne Socialism, at least Irn Bru Socialism.

What next - Handwritten notes of "Cumnock Socialist-Marxist-anti-Trotskyist/new-bus-stop-campaign-alliance-group" meetings sold to Evening News.

 

[danny la rouge]

Am I right in thinking that if they did resign there wouldn't be a by-election (since its not an FPTP seat) and that their seats would go to whoever was below them on the list who was not elected?

I understand that to be the case.