Netherlands v Argentina (Semi Final) Wednesday 9th July 2014

[pocketscience]

asking this again for halftime incase anyone missed it
would maradonna be able to make the runs that he used to, taking on the whole world, in todays game? I get the feeling in modern football theres a lot less room to play, and modern tactics are all about reducing that space. Would be curious if people who know whats what could confirm that - or is it all much the same

Obviously depends which tactics the team he'd be playing against used but generally I reckon he'd get away with it a fair few times. Robben's that kind of player.
Messi obviously does it too but what sets him apart is that his dribbling is only one of many skills in his toolbox. He has vision, passes excellently, and he's a deadball specialist. He's much more a team player (although by the looks of it that team seems to be limited to Barca)

 

[Favelado]

Surely they do. I mean it may be in the same place as a tall player relatively, but absolutely their COG will be nearer the floor.

So what? Who would be easier to knock over Magic Johnson or Lionel Messi? There must be something comprehensive out there on this. It sounds as fishy as "you lose 40% of your body heat through your head" to me.

 

[tommers]

Yeah Maradona would be able to still do it with his stumpy little legs. Shorter players are better cos they fit into smaller spaces and they're lower to the ground so the middle of them is lower too.

The ideal football player is 5' 2". Bustling. Andy Reid.

 

[ska invita]

So what? Who would be easier to knock over Magic Johnson or Lionel Messi? There must be something comprehensive out there on this. It sounds as fishy as "you lose 40% of your body heat through your head" to me.

you do lose all that heat from your head - unless you put a hat on. a bit like if you didnt wear any trousers. you'd then lost it all through your legs.

 

[T & P]

Was that supposed to be a minutes silence?

I was just checking some Spanish online papers and one of them is reporting on the minute's silence. So it did happen. But I guess commercial breaks are too important for ITV for such trivialities.

 

[tommers]

I like the way you think somebody might know what they're talking about.

 

[ska invita]

I like the way you think somebody might know what they're talking about.

im reserving judgment on who that person is - any other posters willing to have a go should do so

 

[Favelado]

you do lose all that heat from your head - unless you put a hat on. a bit like if you didnt wear any trousers. you'd then lost it all through your legs.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/dec/17/medicalresearch-humanbehaviour

 

[Favelado]

im reserving judgment on who that person is - any other posters willing to have a go should do so

I think I've read definitively that the centre-of-gravity thing is a daft myth, as the heat through the head one definitely is. I can't recall the source, hence the hedging of my words, but it's a Keegan-esque nonsense surely.

 

[ska invita]

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/dec/17/medicalresearch-humanbehaviour

turning to the guardian for back up? for shame.
as a grade one all over i have to wear a hat 4 months of the year. Ask Polly Toynbee what she thinks about that

 

[tommers]

I saw it on QI. It's nonsense. There's also 2 moons or something. I lost interest tbh.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Belgrano

But yeah fuck them

Yeah, he gets muddled and he wouldn't give a shit about the war anyway

 

[editor]

There's definitely two suns. I read that here from an expert.

 

[Favelado]

turning to the guardian for back up? for shame.
as a grade one all over i have to wear a hat 4 months of the year. Ask Polly Toynbee what she thinks about that

It's a verifiable myth. Web is full of sources.

 

[Sprocket.]

If Netherlands win is it all round to Robben's for a pancake and a smoke?

 

[Corax]

Taylor Twellman really not happy about the Mascherano situation. Understandably, IMO.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Two good defensive teams nullifying the other's sole attacking threat

 

[ska invita]

It's a verifiable myth. Web is full of sources.

"head and chest are more sensitive to changes in temperature than the rest of the body, making it feel as if covering them up does more to prevent heat loss."

exactly. it doesnt matter if scientifically the percentage is 10% or 40% - its the bit that makes you feel really cold, more than other bits of your body

If Netherlands win is it all round to Robben's for a pancake and a smoke?

niceshhhh...

 

[editor]

I never want to hear that sickly, 'Braaa-zeel, Braaa-zeel " music ident that ITV inflict on us every time they have a break. That is all.

 

[magneze]

How old is Robben? Looks about mid forties.

 

[Favelado]

"head and chest are more sensitive to changes in temperature than the rest of the body, making it feel as if covering them up does more to prevent heat loss."

exactly. it doesnt matter if scientifically the percentage is 10% or 40% - its the bit that makes you feel really cold, more than other bits of your body

Okay. If you're talking about the feeling I wouldn't have argued. I was talking about actual heat loss.

 

[editor]

Am I the only one singing, 'V2 Schneider' every time a certain player gets the ball?

 

[editor]

Sorry. In the absence of action I've started to gibber.

 

[Favelado]

I never want to hear that sickly, 'Braaa-zeel, Braaa-zeel " music ident that ITV inflict on us every time they have a break. That is all.

That is actually part of a real song - and a nice song too - but you'll never want to hear the good version of it again because ITV have ruined it. That's what ITV do though isn't it?

 

[magneze]

Netherlands should go through. Argentina are the most boring team of the tournament. None of their games have been entertaining.

 

[ska invita]

I was talking about actual heat loss.

yet again

 

[Sprocket.]

Nice to hear a bit of Kate Bush under the build up outro though!

 

[pocketscience]

Shorter players having shorter legs means they have more control and shielding of the ball due to the shorter lenght of stride.
They also have more stability as there feet are in mid air forca shorter space of time.
CoG is relative to body mass so height is only one variable contributing to stability and therefore agility.
Doesn't mean a tall skinny player cant dribble a good. They just look gangly and more prone to being tackled.

 

[tommers]

God this is dull.

 

[Favelado]

Netherlands should go through. Argentina are the most boring team of the tournament. None of their games have been entertaining.

It's a good point. I was just thinking that if we want a decent final we need Holland to go through.