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Sorta related - Coppery in the former DDR area is in a bit of a crisis atm - recruitment of polish nationals into the German police force is well under way to tape over the staffing gaps in some states
Neo Nazis in Germany
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pocketscience
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News reports this evening from Chemnitz in Saxony (formerly Karl-Marx-Stadt) of about 800 neo nazis in the city attacking immegrants after a german was killed in a mass brawl at a street party.
Chemnitz: Rechte marschieren nach Tod eines 35-Jährigen durch die Stadt - SPIEGEL ONLINE
Chemnitz: Rechte marschieren nach Tod eines 35-Jährigen durch die Stadt - SPIEGEL ONLINE
pocketscience
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Mad last 10 days. Not had much time to keep up with it but here's a quick summary:
1. "Pro Chemnitz" an organization headed up by a lawyer called Martin Holzmann, who regularly represents neo-nazis in court in and around the Saxony region, organised some rallies last week as a remembrance for the victims of the stabbing. There were something like 8000 right wingers with 1500 opposition at the earlier marches in the week. Notably, some prominent Saxony AfD politicians turned up and stood shoulder to shoulder with Pegida and Pro Chemnitz nazis.
There were isolated attacks on foreigners, journalists, and counter-demonstrators.
2. The arrest warrant (including names, addresses etc) of the Syrian & Iraki alleged perps turned up on the facebook page of Lutz Bachmann - the founder of Pegida. So again, someone in the Saxony police has been a bit naughty.
3. Seehofer in his new role as the interior minister has been remarkably silent considering his recent attempts to broadside Merkel on the immigration issue - although he did offer Saxony more police to deal with protests.
4. A counter demo/ concert was held in Chemnitz yesterday as a show of strength. 60k turned up.
Fuck knows where it'll go from here. There seems to be a concerted effort by the media in Germany to focus on the AfDs participation with open Neo-Nazis on the demos. Articles like this Spiegel report "Alternative for Germany - Who chooses it chooses Nazis".
While their intention may be to play on the potential AfDs voter's guilty conscience in the Laende elections coming up in Bavaria next month, where the CSU has lost a lot of ground to the AfD over the last year, I think they may be over-egging it a bit seeing as AfD voters are generally skeptical of the media.
One repeated argument in a few of the rightwinger interviews I've seen this week is that the "big increase in sexually motivated attacks on women and violent crime by immigrants since the 2015 influx* have largely gone unreported", while the spontaneous rightwing demo in Chemnitz last Sunday has reached all media outlets.
*I haven't found any data yet - so can neither refute or confirm this.
1. "Pro Chemnitz" an organization headed up by a lawyer called Martin Holzmann, who regularly represents neo-nazis in court in and around the Saxony region, organised some rallies last week as a remembrance for the victims of the stabbing. There were something like 8000 right wingers with 1500 opposition at the earlier marches in the week. Notably, some prominent Saxony AfD politicians turned up and stood shoulder to shoulder with Pegida and Pro Chemnitz nazis.
There were isolated attacks on foreigners, journalists, and counter-demonstrators.
2. The arrest warrant (including names, addresses etc) of the Syrian & Iraki alleged perps turned up on the facebook page of Lutz Bachmann - the founder of Pegida. So again, someone in the Saxony police has been a bit naughty.
3. Seehofer in his new role as the interior minister has been remarkably silent considering his recent attempts to broadside Merkel on the immigration issue - although he did offer Saxony more police to deal with protests.
4. A counter demo/ concert was held in Chemnitz yesterday as a show of strength. 60k turned up.
Fuck knows where it'll go from here. There seems to be a concerted effort by the media in Germany to focus on the AfDs participation with open Neo-Nazis on the demos. Articles like this Spiegel report "Alternative for Germany - Who chooses it chooses Nazis".
While their intention may be to play on the potential AfDs voter's guilty conscience in the Laende elections coming up in Bavaria next month, where the CSU has lost a lot of ground to the AfD over the last year, I think they may be over-egging it a bit seeing as AfD voters are generally skeptical of the media.
One repeated argument in a few of the rightwinger interviews I've seen this week is that the "big increase in sexually motivated attacks on women and violent crime by immigrants since the 2015 influx* have largely gone unreported", while the spontaneous rightwing demo in Chemnitz last Sunday has reached all media outlets.
*I haven't found any data yet - so can neither refute or confirm this.
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Thimble Queen
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The nuts thing is the guy that died was half Cuban and experienced a lot of racism in Chemnitz. Apparently, he was a lefty... I think antifa. And these goons are using his death as an assault of bio-deutsch. Uff. Neo-nazis are marching in Hamburg tomorrow
pocketscience
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Good point. Forgot to mention that.The nuts thing is the guy that died was half Cuban and experienced a lot of racism in Chemnitz. Apparently, he was a lefty... I think antifa. And these goons are using his death as an assault of bio-deutsch. Uff. Neo-nazis are marching in Hamburg tomorrow
To be fair to them, in one of the tv interviews at the demo last monday an AfD bloke used that as one of the examples of how the German media fail to report partially - ie the irony that someone who supported reugees welcome got killed by an asylum seeker dont fit merkels narrative of her (then) liberal immegration agenda either...
well weird seeing antifa and merkel thrown in the same bed like that but bugrudgingly I could kind of see his point
Neo-nazis are marching in Hamburg tomorrow
Not really. 178 Neo-Nazis, hand-counted by the police, surrounded by more than 10'000 counter-protesters. The people of Hamburg have chosen their side, I guess. Glad to live here.
Good read about what's going on in Germany, and why the head of the domestic intelligence service had to go.
Merkel’s Spy Chief Is Removed After Public Rift
Only critical point I see is
In fact, it was of course created to protect democracy against all kinds of 'extremism', but as an institution of the Cold War this meant primarily communists and other left-wing movements. They even recruited their personnel partly from former NSDAP members.
Classic! If you don't know how this video footage was created—in the 90's, the organized Neo-Nazi scene in Germany tried to organize rallies to praise war criminal Rudolf Hess, the last WWII war criminal in allied jail, who committed suicide in 1987, and to publicly support their conspiracy theory, that this guy was murdered in jail. This regularly brought them into conflict with antifascist counter-protesters as well as with German laws against certain forms of Nazi propaganda. For this reason, they once had the great idea of choosing Luxembourg for their rally, because they thought such a small country would lack the same kind of trained police forces they were facing in Germany. The Luxembourgers obviously weren't quite amused and put this to an end very quickly.
Merkel’s Spy Chief Is Removed After Public Rift
Only critical point I see is
In fact, it was of course created to protect democracy against all kinds of 'extremism', but as an institution of the Cold War this meant primarily communists and other left-wing movements. They even recruited their personnel partly from former NSDAP members.
Classic! If you don't know how this video footage was created—in the 90's, the organized Neo-Nazi scene in Germany tried to organize rallies to praise war criminal Rudolf Hess, the last WWII war criminal in allied jail, who committed suicide in 1987, and to publicly support their conspiracy theory, that this guy was murdered in jail. This regularly brought them into conflict with antifascist counter-protesters as well as with German laws against certain forms of Nazi propaganda. For this reason, they once had the great idea of choosing Luxembourg for their rally, because they thought such a small country would lack the same kind of trained police forces they were facing in Germany. The Luxembourgers obviously weren't quite amused and put this to an end very quickly.
DaveCinzano
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pocketscience
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BrilliantDon't know, if this has already been heard about here, but there has been another fascist murder in Germany. This time, for the first time after WWII, the victim was a politician from the center-right CDU. On 2nd of June the "Regierungspräsident" (sort of a governor) of Northern Hesse, Walter Lübcke, was found shot in his own backyard.
Of course, haven't learned anything from the NSU case, in the beginning the police investigated "in every direction", but mainly in the victim's personal environment, although Lübcke has been constantly threatened by neo-nazis for the last couple of years, with a new wave dating back just a couple of months ago. The reason is, that in an open discussion about refugee housing in his district in 2015, he confronted a bunch of racists in the audience by stating that human rights are basic values of our society, and whoever didn't like that were free to leave the country. Video footage of this statement circulated in right-wing contexts since then, and of course wasn't picked up there in a positive way.
Thus, although the neo-nazi elephant was in the room from the beginning, the case didn't attract as much attention as had been appropriate. Especially in Lübcke's own party, which is traditionally quite reluctant to the possibility of a right-wing terrorist threat, rather seeing their enemies on the left side and in islamist extremism. This didn't change until the investigators suddenly got a DNA hit with a well-known neo-nazi with a long criminal record including criminal assault, arson, illegal use of explosives and nazi propaganda. In the meantime, the guy has made a detailed confession, but retracted it later for unknown reasons.
Even now, it's remarkably quiet, and frighteningly you could get the impression, that nazi murders are pretty normal events in German society. This might have to do with parts of the CDU in the meantime openly proposing to cooperate with the far-right AfD party, where suitable. Having one of their own kind murdered by a nazi is there probably considered of kind of an accident, leading to partly embarassing statements.
Attention just gains traction slowly, with journalists and antifascists digging deeper into the culprit's past, revealing connections to the militant Combat 18 network and probably to the NSU as well, and a couple of people hope, that this case will gonna lead to more clarification about the NSU surroundings as well.
Meanwhile the AfD is quite on the defensive now, because people rightfully accuse them of favouring terrorist attacks like this with their permanent hate-mongering.
Of course, haven't learned anything from the NSU case, in the beginning the police investigated "in every direction", but mainly in the victim's personal environment, although Lübcke has been constantly threatened by neo-nazis for the last couple of years, with a new wave dating back just a couple of months ago. The reason is, that in an open discussion about refugee housing in his district in 2015, he confronted a bunch of racists in the audience by stating that human rights are basic values of our society, and whoever didn't like that were free to leave the country. Video footage of this statement circulated in right-wing contexts since then, and of course wasn't picked up there in a positive way.
Thus, although the neo-nazi elephant was in the room from the beginning, the case didn't attract as much attention as had been appropriate. Especially in Lübcke's own party, which is traditionally quite reluctant to the possibility of a right-wing terrorist threat, rather seeing their enemies on the left side and in islamist extremism. This didn't change until the investigators suddenly got a DNA hit with a well-known neo-nazi with a long criminal record including criminal assault, arson, illegal use of explosives and nazi propaganda. In the meantime, the guy has made a detailed confession, but retracted it later for unknown reasons.
Even now, it's remarkably quiet, and frighteningly you could get the impression, that nazi murders are pretty normal events in German society. This might have to do with parts of the CDU in the meantime openly proposing to cooperate with the far-right AfD party, where suitable. Having one of their own kind murdered by a nazi is there probably considered of kind of an accident, leading to partly embarassing statements.
Attention just gains traction slowly, with journalists and antifascists digging deeper into the culprit's past, revealing connections to the militant Combat 18 network and probably to the NSU as well, and a couple of people hope, that this case will gonna lead to more clarification about the NSU surroundings as well.
Meanwhile the AfD is quite on the defensive now, because people rightfully accuse them of favouring terrorist attacks like this with their permanent hate-mongering.
"It’s hard to escape the conclusion that the German state has long had difficulties preventing right-wing violence and apprehending its perpetrators because there’s substantial sympathy for neofascistic causes within the German government."
Germany Has a Neo-Nazi Terrorism Epidemic
Germany Has a Neo-Nazi Terrorism Epidemic
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Recent piece on the Chemnitz stuff:
Neo-Nazi ‘terrorist cell’ on trial over alleged Berlin attack plot
Neo-Nazi ‘terrorist cell’ on trial over alleged Berlin attack plot
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Today's fash flash:
www.theguardian.com
Helps when the state's own provide finance, material resources and cover, I guess
theintercept.com
German far-right arrests reveal plot to attack multiple mosques
Twelve men believed to have been planning simultaneous mass-casualty assaults
Helps when the state's own provide finance, material resources and cover, I guess
A German Intelligence Agent Was at the Scene of a Neo-Nazi Murder. He Can’t Explain Why.
The star of Germany's leading art festival this year was not an artist but an intelligence agent. Did he lie about witnessing a neo-Nazi murder?
theintercept.com
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Meanwhile in Germany...
www.theguardian.com
German police raid sites linked to banned far-right group
Raids target subgroup of Citizens of the Reich a month after Hanau shootings
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
And I haven't had a chance to read these, but they're NSU-related and may be of interest:
www.thebattleground.eu
Making Fascism Popular Again
Part II: Combat 18 to the Nationalsozialistischer Untergrund
www.thebattleground.eu
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
German prosecutors charge neo-Nazi with murder of politician
Stephan Ernst, 45, allegedly shot Walter Lübcke in 2019 over his support for refugees
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Body Bags and Enemy Lists: How Far-Right Police Officers and Ex-Soldiers Planned for ‘Day X’ (Published 2020)
Germany has woken up to a problem of far-right extremism in its elite special forces. But the threat of neo-Nazi infiltration of state institutions is much broader.
German leaders slam extremists who rushed Reichstag steps – DW – 08/30/2020
Politicians have hit out at extremists and corona-skeptics who attempted to enter Germany's parliament building after police shut down their demonstration. Hundreds of people were arrested.
m.dw.com
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Just before hundreds of far-right activists recently tried to storm the German Parliament, one of their leaders revved up the crowd by conjuring President Trump.
“Trump is in Berlin!” the woman shouted from a small stage, as if to dedicate the imminent charge to him.
She was so convincing that several groups of far-right activists later showed up at the American Embassy and demanded an audience with Mr. Trump. “We know he’s in there!” they insisted.
Mr. Trump was neither in the embassy nor in Germany that day — and yet there he was.
www.nytimes.com
“Trump is in Berlin!” the woman shouted from a small stage, as if to dedicate the imminent charge to him.
She was so convincing that several groups of far-right activists later showed up at the American Embassy and demanded an audience with Mr. Trump. “We know he’s in there!” they insisted.
Mr. Trump was neither in the embassy nor in Germany that day — and yet there he was.
Trump Emerges as Inspiration for Germany’s Far Right (Published 2020)
Among German conspiracy theorists, ultranationalists and neo-Nazis, the American president is surfacing as a rallying cry, or even as a potential “liberator.”
splonkydoo
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Pretty significant haul of weapons in the last week.
www.thetimes.co.uk
Austria seizes guns and grenades bound for German neo-Nazis
Police have confiscated nearly a hundred sub-machineguns and other firearms they believe were headed for German neo-Nazi militias, in one of Austria’s biggest
www.thetimes.co.uk
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
NYT on ‘Franco A’, the Bundeswehr officer arrested over a loaded handgun he hid in Vienna airport, sixteen months of pretending to be a Syrian refugee (to ‘expose flaws in the asylum system’), a thousand rounds of ammunition stashed in the bunker beneath his mother's house, handwritten notes about the personal routines of a pro-refugee Jewish activist, and hours of audio notes in which he expressed fond feelings for the dude with the 'tache and his twelve year-long racial utopia... But DEFINITELY JUST ALL CIRCUMSTANTIAL
www.nytimes.com
A Far-Right Terrorism Suspect With a Refugee Disguise: The Tale of Franco A. (Published 2020)
A German officer is facing trial on terrorism charges. At a volatile time for Western democracy, his story mirrors the story of Germany itself.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Oh, and the polizei's rammed with shiny boot enthusiasts too:
www.nytimes.com
She Called Police Over a Neo-Nazi Threat. But the Neo-Nazis Were Inside the Police. (Published 2020)
Death threats linked to police computers and the discovery of far-right chat groups in police departments across Germany have fed concerns about far-right infiltration.
rekil
to menny cranks
Trial time.Today's fash flash:
German far-right arrests reveal plot to attack multiple mosques
Twelve men believed to have been planning simultaneous mass-casualty assaults
German far-right accused of plotting attacks on Muslims – DW – 04/13/2021
Federal prosecutors have said the so-called Group S sought to "rock and ultimately overturn the state and social order" of Germany.
www.dw.com
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