Neo Nazis in Germany

[Sasaferrato]

NPD (originally DRP) were around from '50-onward, despite being banned and pursued by state and federal intelligence services in West Germany. "Denazification" in the Allied zone was a bust, so loads of party-members ended up in state employment. Nazism never went away, it just went underground.

OK, so that was in the 50's. A lot of these people will be dead by now, certainly retired.

Is there any evidence of continuing 'Nazi' presence in the German Civil Service? I am aware that government departments can be dominated by a single ideology. The South African Civil Serve in the apartheidt era being case in point.

 

[ViolentPanda]

OK, so that was in the 50's. A lot of these people will be dead by now, certainly retired.

Is there any evidence of continuing 'Nazi' presence in the German Civil Service? I am aware that government departments can be dominated by a single ideology. The South African Civil Serve in the apartheidt era being case in point.

Some of the younger, more careerist CSs were serving into the early '90s. While I wouldn't claim overt Nazism, we know the effect that the legacy of Gehlen and his comrades still exerts on the BND and BfV.

 

[likesfish]

Russian and israeli nazis really takes some huge twists in logic to think thats a good idea.

Vicious. Nationalism thats understandabe.
But nazism in a nation that suffered at the hands of the Nazis and defeated driving them under the tanks of the victorious red army hows that ?????
Israeli nazis wtf really just no

 

[frogwoman]

No more white man's wars !

 

[seventh bullet]

Russian and israeli nazis really takes some huge twists in logic to think thats a good idea.

Vicious. Nationalism thats understandabe.
But nazism in a nation that suffered at the hands of the Nazis and defeated driving them under the tanks of the victorious red army hows that ?????
Israeli nazis wtf really just no

Russian Nazism has less of an influence than other extreme (and anti-Semitic) forms of nationalism in that country. They'll always remain in the gutter anyway and be crushed if they try and climb out.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Russian Nazism has less of an influence than other extreme (and anti-Semitic) forms of nationalism in that country. They'll always remain in the gutter anyway and be crushed if they try and climb out.

You had me at 'gutter' *SWOON*

 

[seventh bullet]

Sure, lets talk Russian Nazis.

 

[yield]

Police use water cannon to break up Leipzig protests against neo-Nazi march
12/12/15

Police used water cannon and tear gas in the eastern German city's suburb of Südvorstadt on Saturday as violence erupted during a set of protests by various civil groups against a gathering by 200 neo-Nazis.

Authorites reported at least 56 officers injured - two seriously - with vehicles disabled and property smashed.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Police use water cannon to break up Leipzig protests against neo-Nazi march
12/12/15

Shouldn't they be directing the water cannon at the neo-Nazi vermin? Verdammte Bullenschwein Fotzen.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Anti-Fascists totally outnumbered Fash (150-200 Fash - 1000 Anti-Fa) so of course Anti-Fascists were going to be pummeled by German head hunters.

 

[DaveCinzano]

So, was wondering what was going on with the NSU trial, and whilst I couldn't see any court reports beyond that above, did find this fairly recent piece of news:

5th mysterious death in Neo-Nazi terror inquiry

 

[butchersapron]

54 page report published by the Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung at the end of last year:

Neo-Nazi Terror in contemporary Germany

The national socialist underground (NSU) - racist murders, bomb attacks, neo-nazi networks and state collusion.

 

[pocketscience]

The "Weisse Woelfe" white wolves have now been banned as an organisation in Germany by the german home office.

Apparently they've been systematically targeting left wing groups, foreigners and more recently attacking homes for refugees.
Some on here may recall a trial last year when a couple of them turned up to an Altona 93 away game and were *ahem... politely asked to leave..

 

[DaveCinzano]

We've just hit the three year anniversary of the start of the trial:

Opinion: Will long trial of Zschäpe, NSU show results? | Opinion | DW.COM | 06.05.2016

TV drama based on the case fails to ignite interest:

'People, not monsters': Controversial films on NSU murders show in Germany | Film | DW.COM | 30.03.2016
Opinion: NSU murders: We can't look the other way | Film | DW.COM | 08.04.2016

Böhnhardt and Mundlos worked for company run by neo-nazi who was also an intelligence service informant - after they had gone underground:

NSU: News from the informant front | Germany | DW.COM | 07.04.2016

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Sounds like the cops and media made good use of the murders to get their point of view across before the inconvenient truth emerged.

Most of the victims of the Zwickau terror cell were small business owners of Turkish origin. For years, their families had to fight against the suspicion that the murder victims were involved in organized crime, simply because they were Turkish. The rumors and accusations destroyed the lives of many of the relatives, some of whom now plan to leave Germany.

Neo-Nazi Terror Cell: Suspicions Destroyed Lives of Victims' Relatives - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[DaveCinzano]

Lest we forget:

Google: döner Morde (248,000 results)

Google: NSU Morde (183,000 results)

 

[treelover]

Munich police brace for rival protests at anti-refugee party's meeting


AFD to rally in the Beer Hall that Hitler supposedly first spoke at.

though it is also used now by the SPD now, which lessens the shock factor.

 

[chilango]

Anybody else seen the Netflix fictionalised NSU thing?

 

[Thimble Queen]

Anybody else seen the Netflix fictionalised NSU thing?

There's three episodes up on German Netflix gonna given then a watch.

Watched Kreigerin last night. Its like American History X but with girls.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Anybody else seen the Netflix fictionalised NSU thing?

Watching the first episode now. Am keeping an open mind

 

[chilango]

Watching the first episode now. Am keeping an open mind

The other two aren't as "good". Lots of actors from Deutchsland 83 though.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Useful English language site providing court reporting:

NSU Trial Reports - Reports from the Trial against "National Socialist Underground" Accused from the Perspective of the Private Accessory Prosecution

An activist site (not updated in a while) with English translations:

Inform & Interfere

Interestingly Wohlleben's defence team is putting in claims which support those of counsel representing the victims' families - notably in areas suggesting intelligence agency cover-ups:

...minutes of police interviews with witnesses [suspected on being NSU associates] conducted in 2013 had only been sent to the court in Munich by the prosecution last week...

See also:

NSU: News from the informant front | Germany | DW.COM | 07.04.2016

In NSU trial no answer to the weapon riddle | Germany | DW.COM | 07.06.2016

NSU defendant denies providing weapons to neo-Nazis | News | DW.COM | 16.12.2015

 

[butchersapron]

All got very odd with one of the suicides being fingered for the murder of Peggy Knobloch.

Any ideas?

 

[hot air baboon]

...did seem to sort of tie back to some extremely lurid allegations in this book by an Israeli undercover author who says he witnessed what appeared to be home made paedophile snuff films being shown at neo-nazi indoctrination sessions...

 

[DaveCinzano]

...did seem to sort of tie back to some extremely lurid allegations in this book by an Israeli undercover author who says he witnessed what appeared to be home made paedophile snuff films being shown at neo-nazi indoctrination sessions...

Made into an HBO TVM by John The Long Good Friday Mackenzie, with Oliver Platt in the lead

The Infiltrator (1995 film) - Wikipedia

 

[DaveCinzano]

The Graun comes late to the party

The neo-Nazi murder trial revealing Germany's darkest secrets | Thomas Meaney and Saskia Schäfer

 

[Pickman's model]

The Graun comes late to the party

The neo-Nazi murder trial revealing Germany's darkest secrets | Thomas Meaney and Saskia Schäfer

by this time the party's winding down as the last few people crash out

 

[chilango]

There's a documentary on Netflix now called The NSU-Complex.

 

[Shechemite]

There's a documentary on Netflix now called The NSU-Complex.

Cheers will check that out

 

[DaveCinzano]

There's a documentary on Netflix now called The NSU-Complex.

I'm watching this now. It's co-written by Stefan Aust (hence the title) and Dirk Laabs. Unlike the recent dramatisation it pushes the idea that the three who went on the run were very much the tip of the iceberg throughout their time underground, fully supported (in terms of funding, tip-offs etc) by their kameraden, and (via cut-offs) by Federal/Lander security agencies.

One particularly interesting bit is the claim that early on in their going on the run “a large sum of money was transferred to the girlfriend of Jan Werner, who was an important supporter of the neo-Nazi fugitives” who had “contacts with militant neo-Nazis in England, and members of the White Aryan Resistance [including] Wilf Browning...”

I've never heard of Werner before (I don't think), and a quick google does not throw up any familiar English language sources. I see he crops up in a 2014 book by Aust and Laabs on the NSU and the ‘Heimatschutze’ - tight-knit, autonomous far right groups the film posits were both riddled with state informers, and essential to providing the Uwes and Zschäpe with material support. Doesn't seem to be available in English.

Google Translate

Anyone familiar with this Werner and his links to Browning/C18, or this book?

(There are some bits in German on NSU Watch, eg Der NSU im Netz von Blood & Honour und Combat 18 - Teil 1 | NSU Watch and in English in this very pricey book: Right-Wing Terrorism in the 21st Century: The 'National Socialist Underground' and the History of Terror from the Far-Right in Germany (Routledge Studies in Fascism and the Far Right): Amazon.co.uk: Daniel Koehler: 9781138123281: Books)