Neo Nazis in Germany
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Yes, that was one of the bits I was less convinced by. Dunno what German gun laws are like but can't imagine they're super lenient. I liked the bit about the maces and crossbows as well.
It was more the bit about ""Wishful thinking, those are impossible demands"—all the Germans told me the AfD growing into power was impossible as recently as five years ago, they are literal Nazis but they have offered, in fact, an alternativ für Deutschland, it's the worst alternative but it's an alternative, and in the past 10 years they put the "impossible" alternative of National-Socialism squarely within the possible, what's your alternative?" that stuck in my head.
klang
klang
I quite liked it
klang
klang
The 'get on with it, don't rely on anyone but yourself and your community'-sentiment is refreshing.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
I mean, the lefty gun ranges stuff is something I've only really encountered in a US context, and my reaction to that has always been "well, I don't inherently love it but I guess people do what makes sense in their context". Is there enough gun ownership in Germany for that to make sense there? Just had a look at wikipedia, and learned that apparently "For people over 18 years of age, a license is not required to own a single-shot percussion firearm developed before 1 January 1871, or to own and carry any muzzle-loader with a flintlock or earlier design. However, the purchase of black powder or similar in order to actually use the firearms requires a license."I quite liked it
Fozzie Bear
Well-Known Member
Interesting example of the German state banning a far right publication yesterday:
Far-right Compact Magazine Banned - Datacide
Far right magazine Compact edited by former leftist Jürgen Elsässer banned by interior minister in Germany today.
datacide-magazine.com
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Interesting piece cheersInteresting example of the German state banning a far right publication yesterday:
Far-right Compact Magazine Banned - Datacide
Far right magazine Compact edited by former leftist Jürgen Elsässer banned by interior minister in Germany today.datacide-magazine.com
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Wow, it seems like ex-lefties who've gone super right wing really like starting magazines called Compact.Interesting example of the German state banning a far right publication yesterday:
Far-right Compact Magazine Banned - Datacide
Far right magazine Compact edited by former leftist Jürgen Elsässer banned by interior minister in Germany today.datacide-magazine.com
ska invita
back on the other side
Hah yeah I thought that, wondered if it was the same one. Is there some meaning to the word compact I didn't know?
ska invita
back on the other side
I wonder which two they have in mind. Red brown?
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Review of a new book on the NSU:
Alternatives for Germany | Michael Lipkin
If the German press could once embrace the narrative that a resurgent far right was a statistical phantom, that myth has now been put to bed.
thebaffler.com
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Review of a new book on the NSU:
Alternatives for Germany | Michael Lipkin
If the German press could once embrace the narrative that a resurgent far right was a statistical phantom, that myth has now been put to bed.thebaffler.com
This from 2020, examining investigatory leads not followed, and the involvement of state actors such as Andreas Temme (‘Little Adolf’) of the Hessen LfV, is quite interesting:
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Review of a new book on the NSU:
Alternatives for Germany | Michael Lipkin
If the German press could once embrace the narrative that a resurgent far right was a statistical phantom, that myth has now been put to bed.thebaffler.com
That's a very absorbing read which raises lots of thought and questions
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Review of a new book on the NSU:
Alternatives for Germany | Michael Lipkin
If the German press could once embrace the narrative that a resurgent far right was a statistical phantom, that myth has now been put to bed.thebaffler.com
On further examination it looks like the hardback was published in May under different names either side of the Atlantic - as Look Away by Grand Central (Hachette), and as White Terror by Mudlark (HarperCollins). There will be a paperback of White Terror in January.
Dom Traynor
Tino Pai
What's the other one?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
We should tell them to FARC off.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I used to see this on sale in Halle, and it was obvious nasty shit.Interesting example of the German state banning a far right publication yesterday:
Far-right Compact Magazine Banned - Datacide
Far right magazine Compact edited by former leftist Jürgen Elsässer banned by interior minister in Germany today.datacide-magazine.com
I was surprised to see that the Compact founder was involved in the split from Junge Welt to form Jungle World. The former paper is a diehard tankie rag that dates back to the DDR, the latter is basically for people who wish they were US Democrats - I remember a homage to Ruth Bader Ginsburg they published once. So what role was this "Jürgen Elsasser" playing there? And for whom?
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
US Compact, mag started by two right-wing Catholics and a supposed Marxist, lots of names like Nina Power (now departed), Slavoj Zizek, Glenn Greenwald, Paul Embery:
Compact (American magazine) - Wikipedia
The Problem With Compact Magazine
A new contrarian venture critiques a world that doesn’t exist.
nymag.com
Can't claim any special expertise, but the article says:
Jürgen Elsässer was born in 1957 and has been active in politics since the mid-70s. He was a member of the organisation Kommunistischer Bund, where he became elected to the leadership in 1989. The KB was originally one of the so called (broadly Maoist) K-Groups, but became an organisation of the unorthodox Marxist left during the 80s.
When the KB split over issues of how to deal with the newly united Germany, Elsässer initially sided with the anti-German minority. He was writing for the KB’s central organ Arbeiterkampf (Workers Struggle) before the split, then for Bahamas, konkret, Junge Welt. When Junge Welt split in 1997, he was one of the co-founders of Jungle World.
In the context of the wars in Yugoslavia, especially the war in Kosovo, he increasingly sided with the Serbian nationalist side, which lead to him being sacked from konkret. He gradually withdrew from his erstwhile anti-German convictions and increasingly adopted positions which were consistent with reactionary – but still “left-wing” – anti-Imperialism.
He became enamoured first with Milosevic, then Ahmadinejad and finally Putin, Trump and Orban. His world view became more and more dominated by far right conspiracy narratives, anti-Americanism, and anti-Semitic stereotypes of a ruling financial elite.
When congratulating Ahmadinejad to his “election victory” in Iran in 2008, he wrote about the Iranian opposition: “Disco chicks, Tehran drug junkies and the rent boys of finance capital want to party here. It’s a good thing that Ahmadinejad’s people are a bit vigilant here and have sent some of them to a darkroom.”
Being taken to the “darkroom” by Ahmadinejad’s henchmen meant imprisonment, abuse and torture for many oppositionists.
To me this quote was revealing what a nasty person Elsässer is. This was also the point in time where he was getting directly involved with the further-and-further political right.
In recent years, especially during the Corona pandemic and since the Ukraine war, he kept stepping up his “revolutionary” rhetoric, calling for an overthrow of the “regime”.
PTK
Paul Kegan
This looks interesting, but I do not have time to read it.US Compact, mag started by two right-wing Catholics and a supposed Marxist, lots of names like Nina Power (now departed), Slavoj Zizek, Glenn Greenwald, Paul Embery:
Compact (American magazine) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The Problem With Compact Magazine
A new contrarian venture critiques a world that doesn’t exist.
Can't claim any special expertise, but the article says:
Jürgen Elsässer was born in 1957 and has been active in politics since the mid-70s. He was a member of the organisation Kommunistischer Bund, where he became elected to the leadership in 1989. The KB was originally one of the so called (broadly Maoist) K-Groups, but became an organisation of the unorthodox Marxist left during the 80s.
When the KB split over issues of how to deal with the newly united Germany, Elsässer initially sided with the anti-German minority. He was writing for the KB’s central organ Arbeiterkampf (Workers Struggle) before the split, then for Bahamas, konkret, Junge Welt. When Junge Welt split in 1997, he was one of the co-founders of Jungle World.
In the context of the wars in Yugoslavia, especially the war in Kosovo, he increasingly sided with the Serbian nationalist side, which lead to him being sacked from konkret. He gradually withdrew from his erstwhile anti-German convictions and increasingly adopted positions which were consistent with reactionary – but still “left-wing” – anti-Imperialism.
He became enamoured first with Milosevic, then Ahmadinejad and finally Putin, Trump and Orban. His world view became more and more dominated by far right conspiracy narratives, anti-Americanism, and anti-Semitic stereotypes of a ruling financial elite.
When congratulating Ahmadinejad to his “election victory” in Iran in 2008, he wrote about the Iranian opposition: “Disco chicks, Tehran drug junkies and the rent boys of finance capital want to party here. It’s a good thing that Ahmadinejad’s people are a bit vigilant here and have sent some of them to a darkroom.”
Being taken to the “darkroom” by Ahmadinejad’s henchmen meant imprisonment, abuse and torture for many oppositionists.
To me this quote was revealing what a nasty person Elsässer is. This was also the point in time where he was getting directly involved with the further-and-further political right.
In recent years, especially during the Corona pandemic and since the Ukraine war, he kept stepping up his “revolutionary” rhetoric, calling for an overthrow of the “regime”.
I find the journey from left to right an interesting topic.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
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