myers briggs - what are you ?

[kabbes]

The annoying thing is is that I've remembered that from three decades ago. It's like it's imprinted a stamp on me that I can't remove.

There is a strand of social psychology that argues we now understand who we are through the lens of psychological academic frameworks. In this way, psychology has created the contemporary human rather than described it. What you mention here would be a good example -- you experienced a self-definition that created a way of understanding yourself that then left an imprint. It's hard to know to what extent that then created who you are now.

 

[Knotted]

There is a strand of social psychology that argues we now understand who we are through the lens of psychological academic frameworks. In this way, psychology has created the contemporary human rather than described it. What you mention here would be a good example -- you experienced a self-definition that created a way of understanding yourself that then left an imprint. It's hard to know to what extent that then created who you are now.

I think that's exactly what has happened. It's exactly what Myers Briggs is designed to do with it's iconic descriptions for each of its categories.

I'm really sceptical about people's self-reported descriptions of themselves. There's all sorts of social pressures to see yourself in a certain way. My old boss once described herself as a very human touchy/feely type who was bad with facts and figures. This was after she had antagonised everybody but got all her team stats right and had analysed them sensibly. I think gender stereotypes play a role in these biases.

 

[Dandred]

Commander, bollocks.

 

[Treacle Toes]

ISFJ, I have always come out this whenever I've taken the tests and I certainly recognise a lot of myself in the description.

ISFJ (defender). I think that's actually quite accurate.

#MeToo

Out of curiousity weepiper & 8115 did you find yourself thinking 'it depends' or 'I don't give a fuck' for quite a few of these questions and answering neutrally?

I just did this shortened Myers Briggs test and it came out with the same result as the long one, so thought I'd post it here to save anyone from wasting 20 minutes of their life:

Yep still ISFJ

 

[ska invita]

I got ENFP - - " idealist in the workplace ...free spirit on the dance floor " supposedly. Fist bump Orang Utan Mation and Miss Caphat

 

[Treacle Toes]

ISFJ

Many ISFJs channel their caring nature through religious organizations.

• St. Teresa of Avila. source
• Pope Francis. source
• Mother Teresa, Catholic nun and missionary. source
• Clara Barton, U.S. nurse and founder of American Red Cross. source
• Rosa Parks, U.S. civil rights activist. source

Some ISFJs find it easiest to express their devotion to others and their community through music.

• Aretha Franklin, U.S. singer. source
• Barbra Streisand, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Beyonce, U.S. singer and dancer. source
• Kenny Chesney, U.S. country musician. source
• Brian May, English guitarist and astrophysicist. source
• Selena Gomez, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Sarah Brightman, English singer. source
• Dr. Dre, U.S. rapper and producer. source
• Michael Grimm, U.S. blues musician. source
• 50 Cent, U.S. rapper. source
• Jessica Simpson, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Kendrick Lamar, U.S. rapper. source

• William Howard Taft, U.S. President and Supreme Court Justice. source
• Jimmy Carter, U.S. President. source
• Bess Truman, U.S. First Lady. source
• Barbara Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• Laura Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• George Marshall, U.S. general and Secretary of State and Defense. source
• Mary I, Queen of England. source
• Prince Charles of Great Britain. source
• Kate Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge. source
• Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of Great Britain. source
• Mary, Princess of Denmark. source
• Rand Paul, U.S. senator and presidential candidate. source
• Heinrich Himmler, Nazi minister of the interior. source

 

[Treacle Toes]

I got ENFP - - " idealist in the workplace ...free spirit on the dance floor " supposedly. Fist bump Orang Utan Mation and Miss Caphat

ENFPs in politics tend to be idealists, and it can be a struggle for them to make their ideas work through traditional politics.

• Fidel Castro, Cuban revolutionary. source
• Che Guevara, Cuban revolutionary. source
• James Dobson, U.S. evangelical leader. source
• Rachel Maddow, U.S. talk show host and author. source
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian president. source
• Julian Assange, Australian journalist and WikiLeaks founder. source
• Katie Couric, U.S. journalist and talk show host. source
• Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan revolutionary. source

ENFP musicians have a strong lyrical, creative strain in their work.

• John Lennon,, English musician. source
• Bob Dylan, U.S. musician. source
• 
  
• Bruce Springsteen, U.S. rocker. source
• Gwen Stefani, U.S. singer and designer. source
• Cher, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Ozzy Osbourne, English heavy metal musician. source
• Janis Joplin, U.S. musician. source
• Justin Timberlake, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Franz Joseph Haydn, Austrian composer. source
• Joan Jett, U.S. musician. source
• Jewel, U.S. singer-songwriter. source
• Melissa Etheridge, U.S. musician. source

ENFP authors are some of the most wildly creative, one-of-a-kind voices in literature.

• Charles Dickens, English author. source
• Hunter S. Thompson, U.S. gonzo journalist. source
• Theodor Geisel (Dr. Seuss), U.S. children’s book author. source
• Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), U.S. journalist and author. source
• Anne Frank, German-Jewish diarist. source
• Anais Nin, French diarist and author. source
• Kurt Vonnegut, U.S. novelist. source
• Bill Bryson, U.S. author. source

 

[kabbes]

You know that they have just made up a preference type for those people, right? They never actually did a test. It’s confirmation bias and begging the question at its finest. Mother Theresa must have been an ISFJ because of being caring. Look, ISFJs are caring just like Mother Theresa.

 

[Treacle Toes]

You know that they have just made up a preference type for those people, right? It’s confirmation bias and being the question at its finest. Mother Theresa must have been an ISFJ because of being caring. Look, ISFJs are caring just like Mother Theresa.

You mean I am really not NEARLY worse than Hitler?

 

[ska invita]

ENFPs in politics tend to be idealists, and it can be a struggle for them to make their ideas work through traditional politics.

• Fidel Castro, Cuban revolutionary. source
• Che Guevara, Cuban revolutionary. source
• James Dobson, U.S. evangelical leader. source
• Rachel Maddow, U.S. talk show host and author. source
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian president. source
• Julian Assange, Australian journalist and WikiLeaks founder. source
• Katie Couric, U.S. journalist and talk show host. source
• Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan revolutionary. source

ENFP musicians have a strong lyrical, creative strain in their work.

• John Lennon,, English musician. source
• Bob Dylan, U.S. musician. source
• 
  
• Bruce Springsteen, U.S. rocker. source
• Gwen Stefani, U.S. singer and designer. source
• Cher, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Ozzy Osbourne, English heavy metal musician. source
• Janis Joplin, U.S. musician. source
• Justin Timberlake, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Franz Joseph Haydn, Austrian composer. source
• Joan Jett, U.S. musician. source
• Jewel, U.S. singer-songwriter. source
• Melissa Etheridge, U.S. musician. source

ENFP authors are some of the most wildly creative, one-of-a-kind voices in literature.

• Charles Dickens, English author. source
• Hunter S. Thompson, U.S. gonzo journalist. source
• Theodor Geisel (Dr. Seuss), U.S. children’s book author. source
• Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), U.S. journalist and author. source
• Anne Frank, German-Jewish diarist. source
• Anais Nin, French diarist and author. source
• Kurt Vonnegut, U.S. novelist. source
• Bill Bryson, U.S. author. source

yes my people!
come in Justin timberlake

 

[ska invita]

You know that they have just made up a preference type for those people, right? They never actually did a test. It’s confirmation bias and begging the question at its finest. Mother Theresa must have been an ISFJ because of being caring. Look, ISFJs are caring just like Mother Theresa.

errrr, no
according to 16 Personality Types website Spider Man is ENFP - they couldnt make that one up, so nice try

Indisputable picture evidence

 

[ska invita]

Many ISFJs channel their caring nature through religious organizations.

• St. Teresa of Avila. source
• Pope Francis. source
• Mother Teresa, Catholic nun and missionary. source
• Clara Barton, U.S. nurse and founder of American Red Cross. source
• Rosa Parks, U.S. civil rights activist. source

Some ISFJs find it easiest to express their devotion to others and their community through music.

• Aretha Franklin, U.S. singer. source
• Barbra Streisand, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Beyonce, U.S. singer and dancer. source
• Kenny Chesney, U.S. country musician. source
• Brian May, English guitarist and astrophysicist. source
• Selena Gomez, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Sarah Brightman, English singer. source
• Dr. Dre, U.S. rapper and producer. source
• Michael Grimm, U.S. blues musician. source
• 50 Cent, U.S. rapper. source
• Jessica Simpson, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Kendrick Lamar, U.S. rapper. source

• William Howard Taft, U.S. President and Supreme Court Justice. source
• Jimmy Carter, U.S. President. source
• Bess Truman, U.S. First Lady. source
• Barbara Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• Laura Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• George Marshall, U.S. general and Secretary of State and Defense. source
• Mary I, Queen of England. source
• Prince Charles of Great Britain. source
• Kate Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge. source
• Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of Great Britain. source
• Mary, Princess of Denmark. source
• Rand Paul, U.S. senator and presidential candidate. source
• Heinrich Himmler, Nazi minister of the interior. source

50 Cent lol

 

[Treacle Toes]

yes my people!
come in Justin timberlake

Uncanny

 

[8ball]

You know that they have just made up a preference type for those people, right? They never actually did a test. It’s confirmation bias and begging the question at its finest. Mother Theresa must have been an ISFJ because of being caring. Look, ISFJs are caring just like Mother Theresa.

That’s the sort of thing I’d expect an INTJ to say.

 

[ska invita]

Uncanny

i feel both understood and validated

 

[Orang Utan]

ENFPs in politics tend to be idealists, and it can be a struggle for them to make their ideas work through traditional politics.

• Fidel Castro, Cuban revolutionary. source
• Che Guevara, Cuban revolutionary. source
• James Dobson, U.S. evangelical leader. source
• Rachel Maddow, U.S. talk show host and author. source
• Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iranian president. source
• Julian Assange, Australian journalist and WikiLeaks founder. source
• Katie Couric, U.S. journalist and talk show host. source
• Muammar Gaddafi, Libyan revolutionary. source

ENFP musicians have a strong lyrical, creative strain in their work.

• John Lennon,, English musician. source
• Bob Dylan, U.S. musician. source
• 
  
• Bruce Springsteen, U.S. rocker. source
• Gwen Stefani, U.S. singer and designer. source
• Cher, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Ozzy Osbourne, English heavy metal musician. source
• Janis Joplin, U.S. musician. source
• Justin Timberlake, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Franz Joseph Haydn, Austrian composer. source
• Joan Jett, U.S. musician. source
• Jewel, U.S. singer-songwriter. source
• Melissa Etheridge, U.S. musician. source

ENFP authors are some of the most wildly creative, one-of-a-kind voices in literature.

• Charles Dickens, English author. source
• Hunter S. Thompson, U.S. gonzo journalist. source
• Theodor Geisel (Dr. Seuss), U.S. children’s book author. source
• Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), U.S. journalist and author. source
• Anne Frank, German-Jewish diarist. source
• Anais Nin, French diarist and author. source
• Kurt Vonnegut, U.S. novelist. source
• Bill Bryson, U.S. author. source

You’re better than all of those dickheads, Rutita1

 

[Treacle Toes]

You’re better than all of those dickheads, Rutita1

That's not me babes that's you, mation, & ska

I got Heinrich Himmler and Mother Teresa.

 

[ska invita]

Many ISFJs channel their caring nature through religious organizations.

• St. Teresa of Avila. source
• Pope Francis. source
• Mother Teresa, Catholic nun and missionary. source
• Clara Barton, U.S. nurse and founder of American Red Cross. source
• Rosa Parks, U.S. civil rights activist. source

Some ISFJs find it easiest to express their devotion to others and their community through music.

• Aretha Franklin, U.S. singer. source
• Barbra Streisand, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Beyonce, U.S. singer and dancer. source
• Kenny Chesney, U.S. country musician. source
• Brian May, English guitarist and astrophysicist. source
• Selena Gomez, U.S. singer and actor. source
• Sarah Brightman, English singer. source
• Dr. Dre, U.S. rapper and producer. source
• Michael Grimm, U.S. blues musician. source
• 50 Cent, U.S. rapper. source
• Jessica Simpson, U.S. singer and actress. source
• Kendrick Lamar, U.S. rapper. source

• William Howard Taft, U.S. President and Supreme Court Justice. source
• Jimmy Carter, U.S. President. source
• Bess Truman, U.S. First Lady. source
• Barbara Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• Laura Bush, U.S. First Lady. source
• George Marshall, U.S. general and Secretary of State and Defense. source
• Mary I, Queen of England. source
• Prince Charles of Great Britain. source
• Kate Middleton, Duchess of Cambridge. source
• Gordon Brown, Prime Minister of Great Britain. source
• Mary, Princess of Denmark. source
• Rand Paul, U.S. senator and presidential candidate. source
• Heinrich Himmler, Nazi minister of the interior. source

oh gosh that list Heidrich Himmler ffs! As if Barbara Bush wasnt bad enough they put Laura Bush on there for good measure who came up with that!! The ISFJ write up sounds amazing though - a defender of the people.
Fuck that list!!


( Sarah Brightman )

 

[Orang Utan]

That's not me babes that's you, mation, & ska

I got Heinrich Himmler and Mother Teresa.

That’s what I meant!

 

[Treacle Toes]

oh gosh that list Heidrich Himmler ffs! As if Barbara Bush wasnt bad enough they put Laura Bush on there for good measure who came up with that!! The ISFJ write up sounds amazing though - a defender of the people.
Fuck that list!!


( Sarah Brightman, )

It's all cool...I will channel Rosa and Aretha

 

[Treacle Toes]

That’s what I meant!

Oh.

 

[The39thStep]

ENTJs
Cersei Lannister
Maximus Decimus Meridius
Cristiano Ronaldo
George Clooney
Nick Nolte
Veronica Mars

I might have handpicked a few but I think they sum me up adequately

 

[Knotted]

You know that they have just made up a preference type for those people, right? They never actually did a test. It’s confirmation bias and begging the question at its finest. Mother Theresa must have been an ISFJ because of being caring. Look, ISFJs are caring just like Mother Theresa.

At least with astrology you can't just make up someone's star sign to fit the character type.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Apparently I’m a lover not a fighter

 

[Knotted]

Nevermind doing the tests, let's just work it out by the descriptions - which are just elaborations on the questions anyway. We're not measuring personality, we're working out what job market D&D character we are.

The introverted/extroverted axis, I think is a real thing. Personally I'm definitely an I not an E.

The intuiting/sensing thing is basically asking whether you fit in with the stereotype of daydreaming thinker, or hands dirty practical type. You might well find yourself fitting one of these stereotypes but
1) Society tends to pressurise you in to seeing yourself as one of the above because it relates to division of labour.
2) In practice you will find yourself being one or the other depending on the situation and there's no actual contradiction between the two stereotypes.

The thinking/feeling thing is just this stupid argument between Spock and Bones on Star Trek that I always hated. Again two stereotypes. Same trouble as N/S (you can be sentimental and apply cold hard thinking depending) with the additional problem that being governed by your feelings and being governed by rationality appear subjectively to be exactly the same thing. The difference between post rationalisation and careful examination of the facts is a matter of discipline not personality.

I maintain that the N/S and the F/T axes are pernicious and pure bullshit.

The Judging/Perceiving axis is curious because it in part overlaps with diagnostic criteria for ADHD. So in some cases it may flag up a real disorder. But even if you are ADHD you might value getting things done and completed while struggling to do so. It's not necessarily the case that you prefer to have several projects running at once and if you do it doesn't mean that you have this wonderfully flexible, open mind.

I maintain that the P/J axis is pernicious and largely bullshit.

Even when I was 14 and doing this test at school I knew it was bullshit. I ended up refusing to answer a proportion of the questions. Are you are feeling or a thinking type? Oh fuck off. And I say that with total feeling backed by impeccable logic. So fuck off again.

I suppose I'm the archetypal INTP - logical scientific sort. But that's largely how I see myself, that's just my ego saying it. In my actual job I'm something closer to being the ESTJ - almost the opposite. I have to organise, I have to be precise, I have to be a bit aggressive and I have to make sure nothing slips through the cracks. The exact thing I never thought I would be able to do, but I'm even good at it. The only bit I struggle with is dealing with people which comes down to the I/E thing. Whereas I'm a useless academic because I don't have the ability to maintain focus week in week out on abstract matters.

Also it's all so middle class career orientated.

 

[ska invita]

the job aspects of it are irrelevant to me -what some HR chump thinks about it luckily doesn't affect me.
i don't really go along with your dismissal of the other opposites beyond I and E.
It is possible to be balanced on both, just as it is possible to be balanced I and E.
But there are cold calculating unfeeling bastards out there. Just as there are people who seem to make life decisions based on emotion above all else.
And so on, through the other lettered spectrums.
And these things are just spectrums, not a binary choice.
I dont see the problem (outside of bosses pschoanalysing you )

 

[Clair De Lune]

Yep I see it as 'are you more like this than that on the whole'

TJ's are more likely to fight online I reckon

 

[kabbes]

the job aspects of it are irrelevant to me -what some HR chump thinks about it luckily doesn't affect me.
i don't really go along with your dismissal of the other opposites beyond I and E.
It is possible to be balanced on both, just as it is possible to be balanced I and E.
But there are cold calculating unfeeling bastards out there. Just as there are people who seem to make life decisions based on emotion above all else.
And so on, through the other lettered spectrums.
And these things are just spectrums, not a binary choice.
I dont see the problem (outside of bosses pschoanalysing you )

To the extent it’s based on anything at all, it’s based on data from a work based context. The job aspects are precisely what its purpose is by design.

Knotted is quite right about the false dichotomies, the thinking/feeling one is particularly poor. In practice, you can’t easily draw boundaries around these things because emotions derive from an interpretation of feelings, which means they are not distinct. It isn’t a spectrum. You don’t have less of one the more you have of the other.

 

[ska invita]

It isn’t a spectrum. You don’t have less of one the more you have of the other.

I think thats a limited way of thinking of a spectrum - sexuality is a spectrum

 

[Knotted]

Yeah, the thinking/feeling one is the worst IMO. There are indeed some heartless bastards out there, but that doesn't make them super logical. They might still be guided by their emotions or short term interests. Also it should be said that T types are not heartless bastards in MB, they're scientific, logical. Every trait is a positive one. In the OCEAN scheme you have a degree of agreeableness and low agreeableness maps onto "heartless bastard", but that's not what this is.

I think there are people who fit on these axes quite comfortably, but I think most people not only just somewhere in the middle but also a bit both/neither. False dichotomies.