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myers briggs - what are you ?

what dont you like about it?

tbh i hate the whole "break down a job into competencies" thing and this is the main one i have come across.

i really dont give a toss if a role requires a level 5 competency in "gets on with people in situations involving an element of conflict over a goat that ate someones lunch" i want to know:

Do you know SQL?
How Well?
are you a dick?
 
tbh i hate the whole "break down a job into competencies" thing and this is the main one i have come across.

i really dont give a toss if a role requires a level 5 competency in "gets on with people in situations involving an element of conflict over a goat that ate someones lunch" i want to know:

Do you know SQL?
How Well?
are you a dick?
So it's competencies in general then not just this methodology.
 
are you a dick?
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....anyone done that Insights one.....?

...that makes you a mix of 4 colours...same idea - based on Jung's 4 basic types - personally I found it spookily accurate for me based on a quite innocuous seeming questionnaire...( I'm very blue )


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Sure, but invidual responses like that are not quantifiable!
you either pick an 'average' of your feelings on the particular question, or you go with an answer relevant to the situation you are in. If you find it easy to introduce yourself to people at work, but not in social situations, then you answer positibely if you are taking the test for work, or negatively if you are taking it for other reasons. If it's always sometimes yes, sometimes no, you go in the middle
 
personally I found it spookily accurate for me

Try this one:

You have a great need for other people to like and admire you. You have a tendency to be critical of yourself. You have a great deal of unused capacity which you have not turned to your advantage. While you have some personality weaknesses, you are generally able to compensate for them. Your sexual adjustment has presented problems for you. Disciplined and self-controlled outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You pride yourself as an independent thinker and do not accept others’ statements without satisfactory proof. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. Security is one of your major goals in life.

Any good?
 
you either pick an 'average' of your feelings on the particular question, or you go with an answer relevant to the situation you are in. If you find it easy to introduce yourself to people at work, but not in social situations, then you answer positibely if you are taking the test for work, or negatively if you are taking it for other reasons. If it's always sometimes yes, sometimes no, you go in the middle
So a middle answer isn't very helpful to those seeking to know your personality. Most of us are a seething neurotic mess of contradictory emotions that a test like this cannot discover. I wouldn't want work to know too much anyway!
 
Because it so massively depends on the situation. I can be horribly shy or horribly bumptious. Depends on who I'm dealing with, how I'm feeling, what sort of pressures I'm under etc
Well, yes, I think any situation can vary, and I think that's recognised in the design of these frameworks. And some will actually make questions optional to cover the eventuality that someone simply can't answer them.

But maybe you getting annoyed by a question like that is itself some kind of flag. Personally, although I could answer that question fairly definitively, there might be other ones that I would be more ambivalent on, at which point I'd probably think about context and try to answer it within what I thought was the most appropriate context for the question.
 
just looked at the first questions - they're not fixed answers, are they? they are all answerable with 'it depends', so in certain situations the answer could be 'very yes' and in others it could be 'very no'. we can't be pinned down like this.

It all smacks of a 'cold reading' type excercise to me, like a horoscope or some shit. It describes people in such broad strokes that most people will identify at least partly with the category they're placed in. I expect the human habits of self-categorisation and a desire to be included and understood will also make people more likely to give credence to stuff like this.

It's like an observational comedian. Do you ever wait ages for the bus and then it arrives just as you light a cigarette? Haha, yeah! You laugh, not because it's funny but because he's given you the opportunity to identify with other people who share some kind of feeling or experience with you. Also other people in the room are laughing, so you can join in with the laughing people and the bus-stop-smoking people at the same time. But is the joke funny? No, in fact it's not even a joke. It's a trick. That's what these personality tests are. A trick. Even the hyphenated sciencey-sounding name is part of the scam.
 
Are these answers used in recruitment much? Or are they for other purposes?
The obvious use case is where you have a large operation and you are seeking to either deploy staff within it to maximum effectiveness, or attempting to understand and resolve conflict.

It's not at all unusual, for example (I'll use IT as a specific example) to end up with someone whose technical strengths are great, but whose ability to identify a strategic direction is weak, operating beyond their competence in some areas. That can result in problems, as the individual themselves can struggle to perform, despite their undoubted strengths in some areas, which results in them feeling crap about themselves/the job, and quite possibly annoys the hell out of those they are directing, not to mention those who they report to.

Tests like these are a useful screening tool to be able to identify traits which might present problems, and which can therefore be addressed through training, coaching, or redeployment. Ideally, it's done as a collaborative process, so the metrics are discussed with the staff member, and some kind of agreement reached on the best way forward.

As ever, the art is in how they are used - getting a MBTI classification for someone and then simply deciding what they will do purely on the strength of that is, not to put too fine a point on it, just shit management.

Personally, I see these things as handy shortcuts, with all the limitations that implies. You can get a far richer sense of someone's capabilities by having a series of conversations with them (although even there such frameworks offer a useful way of structuring the information gained from those conversations), but that can often take resources that a company is unwilling to devote: getting an executive coach in at £300/hour, for 3 hours each, in a department of 30 senior managers is £27,000, which could well be value for money in terms of the business's bottom line, but might be a scary amount of money to spend for what might be an intangible result, for example. And that'd be a comparatively cheap coach.

And the other thing is what you do with the results - it's one thing being able to say to a staff member, "you're an ISFJ" and read the blurb at them, but actually working out with the person what that means in terms of their work role is a much more nuanced business.
 
ISTP - Assertive Explorer. A virtuoso apparently...

i think it means i have a personality that roams the net looking for shit quizzes in order to avoid doing any actual work.
 
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Every single time I do this I always come out INTP. And reading up on the INTP type has been useful, particularly getting my partner to read some of it so he could understand why sometimes I just need to be on my own and that I find endless socialising utterly fucking exhausting (while he thrives on it). I hope I'm a bit less of a Mr Logic than the picture usually painted of an INTP though.
 
I've done this thing so many times, including paid for by my companies a few times. And it's different every time. The one constant had previously been a very strong N, which is why I put XNXX. But I just did it again because what the hell and lo and behold, it came out this time with a dominant trait of S and everything else being near the middle.

Every time I read a profile, I think "that's true, that isn't true, that applies to everyone".

Truth is that I don't think the preferences are mutually opposite, which they would need to be to make this work. I don't see that somebody couldn't be highly T and highly F at the same time, or low on both at the same time.

And people are very adaptable; they will change considerably depending on circumstance and depending on the group they are in. I don't think you can answer any of these questions universally for your life.

You to with the S then. It's the test.

If I could be arsed I'd compare the N-S questions on this test to see how they differ from other tests. But I can't be bothered.
 
Ha, this is a different test from the one floating around my facebook friends. I'm talking more bollocks than usual. this one has me as ESFP which is well odd.

I think I'm getting S and F on these since I learned to stop blurting out the truth in peoples faces and hold my tongue a bit. That's 'sensitive' and 'feeling'.
 
re: the discussion here about the efficacy of the test I understand a lot of the criticisms and I don't think that it is necessarily particularly useful in the ways in which it is used for example I have lied on variations of the test used by HR departments to recruit for customer service roles and having spoken to other people about these tests I know that plenty of others have done the same.

However, the INTP description has really helped me to understand myself. It has been particularly useful for me in allowing myself to find out why I am so fucking weird to be honest. It has allowed me to harness that weirdness in some ways that are beneficial to me and suppress it in others. I don't agree that these are the psychology equivalent of horoscopes, I have looked at INTP community forums and forums of other personality types and there is a real difference there. I am really similar to the people who post on INTP forums, a lot of them have had similar experiences of life and what they write tells me that they have similar thought processes.
 
Myers-brigg was the first time I came across introvert/extrovert descriptions etc in any real way and it really helped me understand myself.

Reading the descriptions I recognised more or less everything on the introvert and nothing on the extrovert, you couldn't give me a description for an extrovert and have me think the test had worked, so I think it's got more to it than horoscopes too, but they definitely do that thing of being vague and universalish statements.

But really I just enjoy taking these kind of tests cos they struggle to categorise me.
 
My ENFP-A personality leads me to believe that I, like everyone else, sees horoscope guff in this (apart from the flattering bits, which are all true). Not done it for years so I can't remember how it came out before.
 
ENFP but only extraverted by 3%
most of the questions in that area (extroversion / introversion) are like a pendulum for me that generally swings back to right in the middle. I'm pretty introverted naturally, but I also like attention and will become very social/extroverted if it gets me stuff I want/need :D
 
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