Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[ymu]

I don't get this human shield theory, James Murdoch's job is safe, daddy owns the company.

It was me who suggested it, as explanation for keeping Brooks in place, even after she offered to resign and killing NotW instead.

James Murdoch possibly acted criminally in approving the hush money, and he has admitted to that. The Guardian noted a reshuffle a few months ago which removed him from the orbit of UK operations and put Rebekah Brooks in sole charge, and they suggested that they were lining up the fall guys, starting with Coulson.

They have been trying to cut the fuse before it gets to the top for a while now, and I think this NotW closure is no big deal, for the reasons I think butchers stated earlier. But The Sun brand is now very contaminated, and Renault has stated very clearly where it stands on where the criminality lies.

It's not about whether or not James will get sacked, it's about whether their will be an empire left for him to run once Dad pops his clogs.

 

[London_Calling]

They can't sack her. If she turns, they could all do time. They have to be loyal, and be seen to be loyal.

 

[Roadkill]

It's very simple: if Brooks goes now, then she won't be available to be fired later on, when things get worse, will she.

Indeed. At some point she will go, but only when she's served her purpose, whatever that might be. If she goes now, James Murdoch is next in the firing line.

One wonders what her own motives are atm...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They can't sack her. If she turns, they could all do time. They have to be loyal, and be seen to be loyal.

They can't sack her, yet the only credible thing to do is to sack her. Marvellous.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Kinda stifles the launch of Huff Post UK, doesn't it?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

One wonders what her own motives are atm...

Same as everybody else's - to avoid the invitation to attend the police station.

 

[temper_tantrum]

They'll pay her off, when it suits them to do so.
Edit: That's her motive: either she stays and avoids the chop, or if eventually chopped, gets paid off. And/or quite possibly set up with some nice new work elsewhere thanks to uncle Rupe's contacts.
From her perspective, there's no reason to cut NI loose. She wants them on side.

 

[London_Calling]

Yep, she's dragging them down, and they can't cut her loose. Breaks your heart.

 

[ymu]

She offered to resign. This isn't about her revealing where the bodies are buried. It's about keeping the focus on her whilst James shores up his defences and puts some protection down for the rest of the operations.

 

[agricola]

They can't sack her. If she turns, they could all do time. They have to be loyal, and be seen to be loyal.

Which makes the decision to all pile on Coulson very hard to fathom - I mean, unless they are being very sly indeed, he is being given no reason at all to stay loyal... there will probably never be a better time for him to rat them out.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They'll pay her off, when it suits them to do so.

What's the going rate for taking a five-year prison term?

 

[Kaka Tim]

Its stuff that which makes me think its more and more likely that the recent decisions around this were taken by either James Murdoch, or James Murdoch and the News Corp board, rather than by Rupert Murdoch - I mean, he might be called many things, but he is not a fool.

Murdoch knows how to bully people into submission. Uppity politicians and journos and over eager cops he knows how to deal with. The mass moral outrage of the entire british people is something he has ever only ever used agasint others, not something hes ever had to deal with himself - when it came down to Mumsnet vs Murdoch there was only going to be one winner!

 

[damnhippie]

going to be keeping an eye on this twitter feed for the 4pm grudge match:

http://twitter.com/#!/ExNOTWJourno

 

[frogwoman]

By brian whelan:
'the cleanest hands must be the groaner because we broke the story,' greenslade claims. Observer however identified by 'Operation Motorman'

Anyone know any more??

 

[Roadkill]

Same as everybody else's - to avoid the invitation to attend the police station.

Definitely that, but one wonders what else there might be. Genuine loyalty to the Murdochs? Fear of what they could do to her as well as vice versa?

 

[two sheds]

Shop Direct has already (yesterday) suspended advertising in all News International titles.

"Shop Direct are wholly owned by the Barclay Brothers". Jesus you *have* to be in trouble if the Barclay Brothers won't touch you for ethical reasons.

Do we know the major NI advertisers peoples?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

He knows how to bully people into submission. Uppity politicians and journos and over eager cops he knows how to deal with. The mass moral outrage of the entire british people is not something he has ever only ever used agasint others, not something hes ever had to deal with himself - when it came down to Mumsnet vs Murdoch there was only going to be one winner!

absolutely. And the comparison with Mubarak is spot-on. pk had it right earlier in this thread, in fact - nobody is bigger than everyone.

 

[ViolentPanda]

And here's the happy, smiling and not at all psychotically pissed off and worried about her future Rebekah Brooks herself as she left her workplace:

Last time a woman glared at people like that was in Greek mythology and she had snakes growing out of her hair.

Which goes to show that having a personal hairdresser at work doesn't necessarily make you more presentable.

 

[London_Calling]

Which makes the decision to all pile on Coulson very hard to fathom - I mean, unless they are being very sly indeed, he is being given no reason at all to stay loyal... there will probably never be a better time for him to rat them out.

Well, he's now been arrested, doesn't work for the firm, perjured himself, is a weak link for Cameron.... he's in a very different place to Brooks.

You imagine he's having a long think.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Definitely that, but one wonders what else there might be. Genuine loyalty to the Murdochs? Fear of what they could do to her as well as vice versa?

I'd be amazed if she harboured illusions of genuine loyalty. It all strikes me as very Goodfellas, all this: "That was the moment I realised Rupert was going to send me down."

 

[temper_tantrum]

What's the going rate for taking a five-year prison term?

Coulson's been set up to do the time. They've cut him loose. When he left Downing St it was fairly clear that he was no further use to NI.

 

[Badgers]

Jup. I've just written to the Co-op to ask them to go all the way too. Anyone who uses their services and/or is a member, please join me!

PM on way for you

 

[Mr.Bishie]

going to be keeping an eye on this twitter feed for the 4pm grudge match:

http://twitter.com/#!/ExNOTWJourno

Nice one!

 

[ymu]

Which makes the decision to all pile on Coulson very hard to fathom - I mean, unless they are being very sly indeed, he is being given no reason at all to stay loyal... there will probably never be a better time for him to rat them out.

Coulson was always more of an underling 'spiv'. A bit like Osborne in the Bullingdon. Not a true insider (Etonian). He was all about the news and communications business, Wade/Brooks was all about influence and implied threat. Look at their performance in front of the select committee. That's why Brooks won't go in front of them now - she has no fucking idea of what's legal or ethical. She manipulates people, that's all.

She's not a journalist, she's a mafia bossling. Coulson is the hired outsider to provide expertise for the job. Murdoch is pulling the strings, and grooming his successor.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Which goes to show that having a personal hairdresser at work doesn't necessarily make you more presentable.

Who chose for her to wear Dalmation Puppies? That's what I want to know.

((((((Dalmation Puppies))))))))

 

[Kaka Tim]

Former Met police chief Brian Paddick has told my colleague Vikram Dodd it is now "blindingly obvious" that police would want to arrest and interview Rebekah Brooks, the controversial boss of News International.

Paddick said: "If Andy Coulson has been arrested, it is inevitable that Rebekah Brooks will get an invitation from the police that she can not refuse."

From the Guardian blog.

 

[Roadkill]

She offered to resign. This isn't about her revealing where the bodies are buried. It's about keeping the focus on her whilst James shores up his defences and puts some protection down for the rest of the operations.

I don't see why it can't be a bit of both.

Either way, whatever she is, Brooks isn't stupid and she presumably understands whatever game they're playing...

 

[frogwoman]

Ah got it:

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/docume...search_and_reports/what_price_privacy_now.pdf

Page 11

 

[ymu]

going to be keeping an eye on this twitter feed for the 4pm grudge match:

http://twitter.com/#!/ExNOTWJourno

16:02 Sorry, that page does not exist.

 

[Roadkill]

16:02 Sorry, that page does not exist.

It's working for me.